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May 2004 Abstract

Golden Crop *


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ctfchallenge23-May-2005 13:08
Rod, quoting you..."One can see & the brain has no trouble interpreting that the plant is well in front of the barn."
our brain is intelligent enough to see the reason of something being disproportional in every entry of this challenge. i will use your shots as examples...dont take it personally please (i know you wont :) )
- viewer knows two limes are closer to the camera, so look big (off topic pic???)
- viewer knows the first tree is relatively very close to the camera, so look disproportionally big (off-topic pic???)...
No, they are not. you have shown disproportion of a subject relative to another.
in this pic i have atleast hide the distance between two subjects unlike lemons and tree shot...so with your own logic this shot is more on-topic then your two eligible ones and dont make me start on your sunset one :)
its always fun arguing with you because i know, you understand the healthy nature of an argument and dont misinterpret any comment offensively. -Abstract
Rod 23-May-2005 10:00
We often frame shots with foliage without any sense of disproportion as this shot demonstrates. One can see & the brain has no trouble interpreting that the plant is well in front of the barn. Surely the idea is to confuse the brain with the disproportion, if the brain is not confused by the odd juxtaposition of apparent size difference, it can't be disproportional in a photographic sense just by stating the small size of the object to get the brain to react. Cat’s has done the same as you with his teapot shot.hic:-)
ctfchallenge23-May-2005 04:17
the topic is to show disproportion in sizes...which this shot does. 2" grass look bigger than windmill. whether or not i say the grass is 2" tall, i dont think viewer needs to know its size to feel disproportion.
if you can think of this piece of grass bigger than 20 ft (windmill) and hence no disproportion in the shot...i cant help you with your drinking problems :)
-Abstract
Rod 20-May-2005 11:35
This shot is off topic in that it shows no disproportion in a visual sense. Abs saying the plant is only 2" tall is an irrelevance to the viewer as the shot should show the disproportion not the text that accompanied the shot. This looks like a normal close up shot of a plant, which it is. IMHO........of course.
ctfchallenge17-May-2005 02:05
Abs - I like when a challenge makes us have to think. That's why I'm here! ~ Lonnit
ctfchallenge16-May-2005 13:02
I am glad that I was able to convey my point across.
quoting you..."shoot the subjects in a manner that lacks the things that let us perceive perspective...less saturated colors in distance, OOF vs in focus, vanishing points, etc"
Thank you very much for putting the theme in such nice/perfect words...i wish i had such language skills :)
you definitely got the goal of the theme right...minor correction though...
all i am looking for is to see the disproportion of subject SIZEs...focus and saturation are things that are technical and kind of 2nd level interpretation of mind to give you depth perception, so i am willing to compromise (not the vanishing points though).
-Abstract
Guest 15-May-2005 22:45
Wow! If that thing is only 2" tall, then you absolutely did fit the theme. I thought this thing was a couple feet tall. My point about the DOF was that blurring the back image tips us off that we are experiencing perspective, and that if all subjects were equally in focus we would believe this tree thing was as tall as the windmill. However, since you made this 2" plant appear to be 2' tall instead, that certainly qualifies! :) I'm believing the concept of the challenge is to shoot the subjects in a manner that lacks the things that let us perceive perspective.... less saturated colors in distance, OOF vs in focus, vanishing points, etc.

Lonnit
ctfchallenge15-May-2005 05:13
Lonnit, you got the part about "how to make your cabbage shot on-topic" perfectly right. smooth transition from foreground to background subject took away the disproportional feel and made it off-topic, which element is missing in this shot. this photo clearly shows 2 inch grass bigger than 20ft windmill...which is the "goal" of the theme.
i have not mentioned anywhere about all subjects being in focus. if anyone had doubts about oof being "distortion" and hence not allowed, my examples with blurry background should have cleared that doubt.
Rich, a normal shot of same subjects will show 2" grass and 20ft windmill in proportion like THIS .
-Abstract
Guest 14-May-2005 23:41
I would have to agree with Lonnit, there is nothing to make this plant look disproprtionate to the building and windmill. IMHO of course. Rich
ctfchallenge14-May-2005 20:06
I didn't get the distortion part of it first but now I do and have removed my farm shot. This one suffers from the same problem as that... the shallow DOF here lets us know the building is in the distance, making it obvious that this plant is smaller and closer than the building. If the entire image was in focus, then this shot would meet the theme. If my cabbages did not show a continuous diminishment of size (if I got down low and only the front cabbages were visible instead of all the cabbages) then the shot would be lacking that bit of perspective that tips us off that they were not indeed giant cabbages, and would therefor be on topic.
~ Lonnit