8th Place. Foot Race in the Fog by Bruce Jones by ctfchallenge

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27-JAN-2009	Bruce Jones

8th Place. Foot Race in the Fog by Bruce Jones

Jacksonville Beach, FL

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Rod		02-Feb-2009 06:12
Gawd Lydia you talk a load of codswallop at times ......"photos comes so naturally to Bruce that even his candids are exquisite. So we're to punish him because he's so talented that his candids look posed" ......If he was so talented he would have submitted indisputable candids like the others here that are so talented & post exquisite on topic picys. Don't talk such sugary guff, Bruce is human like the rest of us & stuffs up sometimes. I agree wiv you about these people walking just before the shot but wot really happened is Bwuce shouted out POLICE & they started to run. He's very sneaky a:-)

ctfchallenge		02-Feb-2009 01:05
I disagree. I think this couple was walking on the beach, just left of the frame, the dear photographer was bummed about the fog and no shots... when unbeknownst to him, one of the couple challenged the other to a race to their car. Our dear photographer lifted his camera to his well-trained eye and snapped. History. Right there candidly before us. smile ~lydia

ctfchallenge		01-Feb-2009 20:34
But it is, in effect, posed lol. Because the unnatural activity they perform is deliberate sequence of repetitive and limited moves. It isn't relaxed or spontanous. it's the performance of premeditated action. A shot of a ballet troup performing a nightly dance isn't a candid either, for the same reason: It would be choreographed and repeats itself at certain intervals. If something ELSE goes on in the image, otoh, it can well qualify as a candid. Like in xray's "Propane Dancer", which is much more about the back of two spectators than about the dance. -k2

ctfchallenge		01-Feb-2009 19:10
To me, a shot is either posed or candid. This is not posed. It is candid. Its being so perfectly on thirds is just due to the fact that taking wonderful photos comes so naturally to Bruce that even his candids are exquisite. So we're to punish him because he's so talented that his candids look posed? Actually, only the photographer, and possibly the subjects (if they knew he was there) know whether this is candid or posed. So, all of us sitting here debating it is really kind of silly to me. ~Lydia

Rod		01-Feb-2009 08:43
You girls:-)

ctfchallenge		01-Feb-2009 05:59
I tried to bugger off. Didn't work. Here I am. grin And I still have my opinion... Sorry. grin again even wider ~Lydia

Rod		01-Feb-2009 02:08
Seeing as your not the host Lydia then bugger off:-)

ctfchallenge		01-Feb-2009 01:45
I think there are either planned/posed photos, or candid photos. This is a candid photo, in my opinion, and a really good one at that! ~Lydia

Rod		01-Feb-2009 01:22
It's irrelevant what Bruce was doing what is relevant is what the picy ses he was doing. He isn't up close & involved in their activity or close proximity. Bruce saying the picy is staying is bleeding silly as the host has made it clear that NO picys will go to Pending. Gawed Carole you're stating the obvious megirl........... "And if you had zoomed way in on them, there probably wouldn't even be this conversation about whether this was on topic or not as it would have appeared you were up close" Exactly right Carole but he didn't zoom in so it's off topic as per Kons clarification which was posted after this picy was posted so Bruce would feel aggrieved & it's getting him to post more comments than he has in 4 years........Way to go Konstantin:-)

ctfchallenge		01-Feb-2009 01:04
Well said, CJ. The discussion here is thought-provoking, but as Konstantin said that he won't send any pics to Pending for being off-topic, we'll just have to let the viewers decide--as always. --Mary Anne

ctfchallenge		01-Feb-2009 00:44
I'm glad you're leaving this Bruce as I love it. I don't think you were "stalking" them - you just happened to be at the right place at the right time. And if you had zoomed way in on them, there probably wouldn't even be this conversation about whether this was on topic or not as it would have appeared you were up close. "Candid" means different things to different people and this will be another one of those challenges where people will end up voting on their own interpretation. :-) CJ

Bruce T Jones		31-Jan-2009 23:37
Ummmmm . . . if you look on the challenge announcement it says: Let us be the "photo-spies". Any and all aspects of candid-shots are welcome. The only restriction is "The pictures already presented in any of CTF Challanges are not allowed to be posted here". I can't imagine anything being off topic with such a broad challenge and I won't be sending any photos to Pending for being off topic. That seems pretty broad of a topic to me. Granted, further restrictions were posted afterwards on DPReview (and then further discussion whittled it down more narrowly, like a court decision) but that was after I submitted my pics. So . . . they stay.

Rod		31-Jan-2009 22:13
I think it's mainly because you don't read the topic clarification:-) You can use a telephoto as I did but that got me head & shoulder picys which shows I was up close & personal & interacting in the subjects immediate area, you were doing neither in two of your picys. Posting a great picy is no excuse for not following the intentions of the topic as the host wants. The intentions of the photographer doesn't really come into this discussion it's the posted picy that tells us if the picys on topic or not, we can't tell if the photographer asked someone to walk over there & took what looks like a candid so as a photographer you have to get your picys looking like a candid as described & not try to explain that your intentions were candid. Again if you read what Konstantin wrote you would know that he won't be sending any shots to Pending so stop being a drama queen & post some awesomely magnificent on topic picys like wot I did.

Bruce T Jones		31-Jan-2009 21:33
Oy vey! Why are my pictures always ever-so-slightly off topic? So I'm down at the beach trying to see if I can shoot some surfing scenes in the heavy fog (I can't; way, way too much fog, the camera just won't AF after 100 ft. in this stuff) All of a sudden, these guys come flying out of the fog into my view and I rattled off about a half dozen shots. I chose this one cause their feet don't touch the ground. Spontaneous . . . yes. Candid . . . I guess it doesn't pass muster. Anything longer than a 50mm (on a 1.5 crop) lens is telephoto. We had better check our lenses for this challenge. But . . . I really like this photo. So I will leave it here unless Konstatin deems otherwise. Because: 1) Making rules about photo competitions based on the intention or circumstances of the photographer is problematic (e.g., "shoot while seated," or "shoot without planning a shot") and 2) It is difficult to assess whether a photo "appears" to be candid or not.

Rod		31-Jan-2009 20:31
We could read in Konstantins topic clarification that this is on topic such as.... "Candid photography is best described as un-posed and unplanned, immediate and unobtrusive. The above line would make possibly make this on topic unless we read on. "Candid photography catches moments of life from immersion in it." Again I can't say Bruce was immersed in the joggers lives here. "Candid photography is opposite to the stalking involved in animal photography, sports photography which all have a focus on getting distant objects photographed, e.g. by using telephoto lenses" So I think this picy would come under the stalking category & the distance objects clause. "Candid photography's setup includes a photographer who is there with the "subjects" to be photographed, close, and not hidden" Now we don't know if Bwuce was wearing a large raincoat & was hidden but this picy would come under the not close clause a. The challenge host doesn't have an army of lawyers to write the topic description so there's often some confusion as to what is on topic but by not focusing on one part of the topic description & absorbing the whole thing we can normally get what the host wants a.

ctfchallenge		31-Jan-2009 20:09
Photos of actions that are part of a sequence, or give an impression of being premeditated, aren't candids to me. A good candid shot should contain an element of the unexpected, be revealing, show a unique situation. For instance someone obviously caught off guard. When a picture looks arranged or premeditated, or is of a predictable situation, it doesn't work as a candid. To me, at least. Shots of events taking place according to schedule, are not candids. The picture becomes too predictable for that classification. The people here were running before the picture was shot - and afterward as well. The photographer had some time to plan for the shot, he knew what to expect, what came next. He could have taken 10 shots of them, and they would have looked almost identical. If the picture had showed one of them stumble, then it would be closer to a candid. That would bring something unique into the situation. But as is, it's runners doing what runners do. In fact.. this picture is so aesthetically pleasing, it might as well have been arranged. The pale beach and the fog almost makes it look like they run in empty space. Beautiful photo, even a "great find", because it doesn't actually look like it's arranged. Love how their legs and arms cross btw. Yet - it's static beauty, and "only" that. Nothing candid about it, IMO. As to dt's quote: These people are performing "un-relaxed" or "un-natural" repetitive motions over a period of time. So they ARE in a way posing, although not intentionally for the photographers sake. -k2

Guest		31-Jan-2009 18:27
I'm confused, too. Is it because the photographer is not close enough? A telephoto lens could have been used that would of brought the subjects up close but aren't we then talking about technique? In my photo in Eligible, I could have zoomed in closer on the hiker but I wanted to show the hillside. I did a Google search on candid photos and found this definition: "Casual, pictures of people where the subject is not posing, and often taken without the subject's knowledge. These usually appear more natural and relaxed than posed pictures." To my way of thinking all of these are candids and this one is exceptional. ~dtallakson

ctfchallenge		31-Jan-2009 17:23
Konstantin, after reading through your explanations in the discussion thread, I'm still confused about why this is not a candid shot. Could you please explain...again? --Mary Anne

ctfchallenge		30-Jan-2009 15:31
Bruce, this is an exceptional picture! I love here everything - the perfect captured moment, the composition, the colors ... I’m only afraid - this is not really a candid shot. Konstantin

ctfchallenge		30-Jan-2009 02:52
Hey Bruce, it looks like fortune is smiling on you with your new slr. I'm looking forward to many more good photos (again) that were beyond the G9's capabilities. This shot has so much fun even at this distance. The guy is really working hard as a representative of us manly men. -tv

ctfchallenge		29-Jan-2009 23:05
love it! Penny Street

Guest		29-Jan-2009 17:39
The 27th was a "Golden Day" for photography on Jacksonville Beach. I love the way their legs for a X. I have made a note, I must get myself a fog machine :) YB

ctfchallenge		29-Jan-2009 17:14
This is great, Bruce. I love how you captured the moment with none of the feet touching the ground. --Mary Anne

aam1234		29-Jan-2009 16:20
Love it.

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