thank you thank you thank you i love ideas!!! i stuggle so...... i have a few with no sky which is unusual for me to take extras... i will post it in a day or so i hate having sky in my shots and try to just truncate things to what i like....your thought underscores or supports that here.....also i dont think that i got any of these quite darkly saturated enough all need 1/3 less and i have trouble getting no sky dark shots dark! thank you Erich! don tell my your truths anytime as to comp and exp....... i like the learning feedback!