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2 July 2004 Ed Hahn

Two-Seam Fastball*

Canon EOS 10D ,Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM
1/25s f/8.0 at 50.0mm iso200 full exif

other sizes: small medium original auto
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Anna Yu13-Jul-2004 18:02
Well I suggest that you withdraw all your excellent shots so that my lousy ones will have a better chance ;-)
Canon DSLR Challenge13-Jul-2004 16:04
My apologies, Anna - I misread your comment...but if you do have improvements to suggest... ;-) -Ed Hahn
Anna Yu13-Jul-2004 15:46
Ed all I said was I LIKE this image and why. I'm questioning the comment below that any picture has to tell a story. I think it's enough for me to either instinctly like or not like a picture and I'm NOT criticising this one at all.
Canon DSLR Challenge13-Jul-2004 14:20
Jonathan/Anna - if you have specific suggestions for improving the photo, I'd love to see them here with the image. -Ed Hahn
Jonathan (Yoni) Nissanov13-Jul-2004 12:35
That's an interesting issue, Anna. Why don't we take it up in the discussion thread.
Anna Yu13-Jul-2004 06:36
My first impression is "what a nice picture". I like the patterns of the seams in the baseball. I'm not sure what story any photo has to tell ??? Excellent shot. The lighting is especially good.
Guest 12-Jul-2004 23:39
Love the lighting.
Mike C
Canon DSLR Challenge12-Jul-2004 00:27
Honestly, I don't think this is my best image, either. The baseball was sitting around while I was looking around for things to hold. -Ed Hahn
Jonathan (Yoni) Nissanov11-Jul-2004 19:40
Why do folks like this image? Sorry, but I don't get it. Ok I am not a baseball fan. Yes its technically good. What story does it convey?
Olaf.dk 10-Jul-2004 12:16
Victor, as this was getting to be less and less a discussion about this excellent photo, I have decided to reply to your questions in the challenge thread instead:http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=9484453
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Olaf
Guest 10-Jul-2004 00:28
Interesting about your browser. I'd have thought it would have assumed sRGB if no embedded profile was found. Evidently it does not. What profile does it assume? Speaking for myself, when I post to the web, the image may or may not have an embedded profile. If it doesn't I assume it will be viewed as if the embedded profile were sRGB. So now I'm wondering what profile your browser actually uses. Do you know? Could you therefore be seeing a significant number of the entries incorrectly? -- Victor
Canon DSLR Challenge09-Jul-2004 20:55
Mystery solved! Thanks for reporting back Olaf. -Ed Hahn
Olaf.dk 09-Jul-2004 18:58
Joe, sorry for not responding to your question until now. Describing what I saw is hard to do in other words, than there seemed to be more cyan (greenish blue) in the mix in your retouched version than Ed's original image. It didn't make the skin cyan, but a lot less warm and more unnatural looking. To investigate closer before responding, I opened both images in Photoshop. Turns out Ed's original has an sRGB color-profile embedded while yours has none. After assigning sRGB to your retouched version, the skin-tones in the two images look identical. Just my Safari-browser doing its good job of utilizing embedded color-profiles - no cause for alarm! --Olaf
Canon DSLR Challenge07-Jul-2004 13:47
Oh - and BTW - I *do* appreciate the discussion on this - it's always interesting to see what you all would do to this image. -Ed Hahn
Canon DSLR Challenge07-Jul-2004 13:40
Well, FWIW, there could be a profile issue. The uploaded file was converted to sRGB; dunno what your color management policy in PS is, Joe, but IIRC pBase strips all the meta data including color space. If you assign a different color space on opening an untagged file, it could result in color shifts... (EDIT - actually, my (uncalibrated) work monitor has some left-right issues - the right side of the screen is a bit bluer than the left - so I don't see any difference in skin tones after all.) -Ed Hahn
Canon DSLR Challenge07-Jul-2004 13:13
Olaf: I isolated the ball on its own layer, so there is no way I could have altered the flesh tones of the hand. Also, I just did side-by-side comparison of the hand in both and see no difference between the two. Just the ball. Describe in more detail what you are seeing. I'm getting paranoid about the calibration of my laptop...
Canon DSLR Challenge07-Jul-2004 12:37
Joe, I must say that on my hardware-calibrated CRT-monitor the flesh-tones do look better in Ed's version, your retouch made the skin turn kind of cyan. Thought you said you isolated the ball? --Olaf
Guest 07-Jul-2004 12:14
One more thing: I used the Blur tool (~50%, soft brush) around the edges, to soften the transition to the background.
Guest 07-Jul-2004 12:12
Hey Ed: I respect your intent/subject, and I note Shu's comment below about the softening effect of the flesh tones. That said, I'm short on things to do this morning (mid-week of a "backyard vacation"), so I gave it a whirl. I offer it as an alternative, not necessarily a better one. I isolated the ball and then, within it, the laces. Desaturated and mildly brightened the ball, darkened and saturated the laces. For what it's worth --> http://www.pbase.com/image/31053049.
Canon DSLR Challenge06-Jul-2004 20:02
Hey Joe - thanks for the comment. The ball color is actually noticeably offwhite. Trying to correct it gives the hand a pretty awful blue cast. -Ed Hahn
Guest 06-Jul-2004 16:33
Crisp, clean, well-executed. Had this been mine, I would have color-corrected the ball a bit more toward white.
arra05-Jul-2004 11:47
Extremally good light! Love it!
Canon DSLR Challenge04-Jul-2004 22:12
Beautifully done, as always, Ed! The flesh tones soften the image. Shu
Timothy O'Connor04-Jul-2004 12:52
I really like the lighting here.