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26-AUG-2004

Street crowd, Dublin, Ireland, 2004

Perhaps the greatest barrier to effective street photography is the mess that crowds can make out of a picture. Street crowds will invariably fragment composition, pulling the eye all over the place, and diluting any meaning that individual people might project. Street photographers must find ways to neutralize the cluttering effect that crowds bring to pictures. One way, of course, is to move in and isolate the actions and interactions of particular people within the crowd. Another way to “clean up” clutter in crowd scenes is to somehow use abstraction to simplify the image and give the crowd a sense of unity instead of fragmentation. This is what I do in this photograph of street crowd surging along a Dublin street. I abstract the scene by taking a vantage point shooting into the sun, instead of shooting with the sun behind me. Using my spot meter, I exposed for the pavement. If I did not use the spot meter, the camera might well have severely over-exposed the sidewalk, creating glare and spoiling the picture. By using the spot meter on the brightest part of the picture, everything else gets darker. This under-exposed crowd of people becomes a massive series of silhouettes. Some leave their shadows behind them, others chase shadows, and even shadows chase shadows. The image becomes nightmarish, a surrealistic abstraction symbolizing toil and struggle. I shot this particular scene over and over until enough space opened up in the crowd to allow the shadows to cleanly fall into place. In fact, I was so conscious of play of the shadows in this picture that I focused on them, and not on the people. (See my comments regarding this point under my picture “Shadow Play, St. Malo” elsewhere in this gallery.)

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Phil Douglis03-Jul-2007 17:18
Thanks, Marisa, for noting how color breathes life into this scene by making it more real. By abstracting them with light, I've made them into statues, but by using color, I make them live long enough to take that next step forward. What we have here is the ongoing moment, rather than the decisive moment. The camera might have stopped them in their tracks, yet the image throbs with anticipation of the next move.
Guest 03-Jul-2007 12:29
There seems to be a kind of a marathon in different levels of reality: the humans, the shades.. old people, working people and what is behind and forward them -their shades- in another dimension, with their own interconnection... All of them captured and freeze in a second, like statues. But the use of color here turn this into something 'alive', we can imagine the next step.
Phil Douglis11-Aug-2005 17:45
Good point, Rod.There are many times when I will go out just to shoot the nature of the light, and what it can say as it falls, or does not fall, on certain things in certain ways. This works well in either landscape or street photography. In this case, I was not really shooting the street or the people. I was shooting the light and the shadows for whatever they might express. (By the way, this picture was made in mid-afternoon, with an overhead sun creating harsh high key light. I usually prefer, as you say, early morning or late afternoon light, which throws longer shadows and brings warmer tones to my images. But this image was made during a one-day cruise stop in Dublin, and we were given neither early or late light. So I had to make the best of what I had to work with here.)
Guest 11-Aug-2005 15:07
This is a good example of what I call "Photo Judo" where you take a scene that often is a disadvantage, and use it against itself to your advantage (a switch in leverage, if you will). :) the lighting is great. It also is a great example of why we should try to catch early morning and late evening light (as it has a good quality to it, as well as comes in at angles to allow photos such as these). For my current project I think I did not have this in mind: shooting late evening. I wish I had, so I could have gotten more interesting shadows and lighting. I will remember this lesson for my next photo trip!
Phil Douglis22-Nov-2004 16:10
Thank, Flip -- I am glad you agree that the warm golden tones are an essential a part of this image. I just had a long discussion with Jen about that, and she now agrees as well.
Phil Douglis22-Nov-2004 16:08
Thanks, Jen, for that great quote -- I agree. In photography, knowing the purpose of a picture will determine what it will eventually mean.
Guest 22-Nov-2004 13:43
Excellent image, Phil. I really like high contrast photography and this is one prime example. The shadows are an important part of the composition and the warm golden tones work really well here. A simple yet powerful image...I've got really nothing to nit pick here. Excellent work.
Jennifer Zhou22-Nov-2004 13:29
Remind me one of your favorite quotes: If you don't know where you are going, you will probably end up somewhere else.

Thank you for teaching me this great lesson Phil!!

Jen
Phil Douglis21-Nov-2004 19:45
Yes, Jen, you have grasped the very essence of what i have been trying to express in my responses to the questions this image has raised in your mind. The most important question a photographer must answer for herself or himself is "Why am I making this picture?" To answer that question, we must set a goal or objective for ourselves. And then use the tools and techniques we have available to us to reach that objective. All too many people just make pictures to make them, and as a result they do not use the most effective tools or medium. Now you know, Jen -- and you should never be the same photographer again!
Jennifer Zhou21-Nov-2004 03:36
Phil, I finally understand what you are trying to show me here.
In fact you said in your first response to me: Always keep in mind, the end purpose of a picture!". And it takes some times for me to totally understand it. Yes, expressive photography is a world of possibility to everyone. As a photographer, we should always first focus on our own purposes. An idea may can be presented in thousand different ways and each way can be unique, the most important is that the photographer knows what they want to say and to choose the mediums and the tools to express it as well as they can.

Jen
Phil Douglis20-Nov-2004 19:40
Yes, Jen, you are right. We should not try to draw "hard lines" between anything in expressive photography. There should be no absolutes. Absolutes can only lead to rigid thinking and blind adherence to "rules." We should try to use the medium or technique or idea or approach that can best help us accomplish our particular purpose. In other words, we should be purpose oriented. There are times where objectivity is essential. And times where it is not. And times where we can be both objective in one respect, yet subjective in another. Keep an open mind, Jen. Be flexible. Take whatever you learn and think of them as a tools you can use when building ideas. Tools are neither right or wrong, good or bad. They are just tools.
Jennifer Zhou20-Nov-2004 12:09
Yes, when I was asking this question I thought too it is very difficult to draw a hard line between objectivity and personal expression, because you just can't. They are all Phil's pictures and are presented in Phil's own way. There is no right or wrong just a matter of choice. You kept this in color and you have your reasons for it, then just be it. You still tell this story beautifully and most importantly, in your own style..Is my reasoning right Phil?

Jen
Phil Douglis19-Nov-2004 19:57
Another excellent response, Jen -- and a good question too. I don't see my work in absolute terms. There are some pictures where I am trying to capture the essence of a place, and do it a very objective, yet still expressive manner. On other pictures, I am less objective, and I am speaking more about how I personally feel about a place. It all depends. This shot, for example, is a mixture of both an objective expression of how Dublin's streets throb with activity, and it is also can be viewed as a symbolic personal statement. As I describe it in my explanation, it is a "nightmarish, surrealistic abstraction, symbolizing toil and struggle." That's why I can't draw such a hard line between objectivity and personal expression in my travel images. So many times, it is a little of both. Of course, if I ran this shot in black and white, it would be even more surrealistic and less real than it is now. I think this color version gives a good balance of both, don't you?
Jennifer Zhou19-Nov-2004 07:35
Phil, thank you for your answer!

You said to chosse my medium first, based solely on what I am trying to express.
What I am trying to express is what I feel, what I think about my subject. And my personal feelings must be involved in the pictures. Like the subway shots, I feel the place like a hell but some people may not and even they like it here----they may use warm tone to show their feelings.

But to your own work---travel photography, you want to be more objective, and you don't want to express too much personal feelings rather to show us what this place mean to you and get that idea acrossed? Am I right?

Jen
Phil Douglis19-Nov-2004 03:57
Glad you understand and accept my reasoning Jen. My images are my images. Jens are Jens. The difference between your own images and my own is the context in which they are presented. I present mine as examples of effective travel photography, and the reality of color usually helps me to best capture both the nuance and nature of the place.

On the other hand, your own street photos are a blend of your own personal expressive photography and photojournalism. Reality always plays a role in your own images, but in a different context than mine. Your images seek a truth resting in more than just the nature of the place itself. For example, your Shanghai subway shots are very real to me. And they do capture the essence of that place. But they don't stop there. They go far beyond, to express a hell underground -- a world where people travel as a crowd, yet ignore everyone. Color plays no role in any of that, Jen, and you are very wise to run it in black and white. You choose your medium first, based solely on what you are trying to express. If it works best as a black and white image, you put it in your black and white street photography gallery. If it works better as color, it goes in your color street photography gallery. You always make the most of color, just as you do of black and white. You understand the role of each, and you use them well.
Jennifer Zhou19-Nov-2004 03:09
Phil, I am glad I guessed right.. And you did give me some good reasons to agree with you. I always think you have a very unique style, you believe in what you are doing, and you also keep an open heart to the possibility. I admire you so much!

A quick question about my photos: I like the degree of abstraction from B&W, and for more than half of my street photos, I chose to present them as B&W. Did I make them far from reality?

Jen
Phil Douglis18-Nov-2004 21:32
Jen,

Glad you see the point I am making here. You so smart, Jen, that you answered your own question. You are right. My approach to expressive travel photography is rooted in reality. If color can make what I shoot seem more real to my viewers, I would rather use color than black and white. I think a lot of other photographers like to use black and white as an abstracting medium because it can make their ideas simpler, and help their ideas work without the distractions of color. Which is fine.

My own approach is quite different. I prefer to use a subtle framework of color as a counterpoint to the strong use of abstraction i usually try to bring to my images. Exactly as I am doing here, Jen. It works well for me. Of course I will also use color when color itself is at the heart of my idea. I use black and white when I find that color is distracting and superfluous --which for me, anyway, is quite rare.

I have looked at this particular image in black and white and it just does not "take my viewers to Dublin" with me. It may be striking if considered purely as a work of photographic art, but the black and white version just did not work for me as expressive travel photography.

Always keep in mind, Jen, the end purpose of a picture. I am, first and foremost, a travel photographer, so reality is very important to me. As you will probably agree, with the soft brown stones in color here, you will feel as if you, too, are right there with me in that crowd on that Dublin street. And that, Jen, is the reality i am talking about.

Hope this helps give you some good reasons to back up your wonderful guess! I thank you, as always, Jen, for this question.
Jennifer Zhou18-Nov-2004 12:32
Phil, I can see how this crowd work as an union to express a idea. I also like your choice of light here---to darken the useless details creating a form of abstraction. And the shaddows add another layer of meaning for you. However I don't see how the colors help to express the idea? You told me if the color doesn't express meaning why use it?

I notice for most of your shots, you perfer color to B&W, is that because you think color photo is close to reality than B&W, and your photography is about reality?

Jen
Phil Douglis04-Nov-2004 02:27
Thank you, Peter -- the power of abstraction at work.
Guest 04-Nov-2004 02:24
Phil, you have been able to organize the image in such a way that I don't see 20 or so individuals, I see one group, well oiled machine relentlesly gaining the ground.
Peter
Phil Douglis25-Sep-2004 23:18
Thanks, Doug, for bringing your keen eye to this image. You have sensed here exactly what I was trying to express. In fact, I treated this segment of Dublin sidewalk as a stage, and watched and shot as the players surged through my frame over a period of time. You can look at this image in two ways -- you can look at its fragments, and see individual strangers trying to keep up, trying to get ahead, or falling behind. And one just stands there, watching the world pass her by. Or you can look at it as a unified abstraction of people and shadows, marching somewhere in unison, as if to the beat of a distant drum.
Phil
Guest 25-Sep-2004 19:28
Abstract and almost surreal, as you say - but also full of life. Backlighting has turned the jumble of the crowd into a coherent, yet complex, subject. Well done!
Guest 25-Sep-2004 06:48
This is wonderful...

I started to comment on this earlier this morning and had to put it off as I was interrupted...

This image looks to me to be a freeze frame in time... as if time had stopped and everyone was frozen. All images are really a stop in time from a literal sense but this goes beyond that and actually looks like one of those scenes in a film is which time stops and everyone freezes. It also carries a strong feeling of "getting there, people conforming to their schedule in life, and playing the role that they must play or have chosen to play to earn their living. The people here are technically individuals but the visual feel of this image acts to group them togther in unison and as a whole - partially because of the situational aspect of the shot but mainly because of the strong shadows and dark exposure of the subjects...

On another note, the desaturated feel to the colors, combined with the light and shadow gives this a strong painterly quality... the buildings in the background are definately strongest in that affect... they almost look as if they are a stage set... with players on the stage...

Anyway, great work here!

Doug
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