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Common Ravens (Corvus Corax)

Pictures of Common Ravens.
The pictures on this site are generally 1024 pixels in the larger dimension. I have posted many of them, as well as other shots, in generally higher resolution on http://paullantz.com
The photographs are taken around my home in Moosonee, Ontario where I feed Ravens along with other birds. The Ravens enjoy many things including eggs and meat and also cheezies. Most of the other birds avoid getting too close to the Ravens. The Starlings are an exception and seem to have no fear of them. The Ravens are not that interested in most of the other birds but dislike both Crows and Seagulls quite a bit. I have seen a Raven that was annoyed by a Seagull grab the gull by the wing and swing it around and then resume feeding.
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Raven in the rain 2011 August 18th
Raven in the rain 2011 August 18th		 Crow harrassing raven on the ground
Crow harrassing raven on the ground		 Raven in flight, one wing down and lit by sun
Raven in flight, one wing down and lit by sun		 Crow harrassing raven
Crow harrassing raven
Raven in flight, wings outstretched
Raven in flight, wings outstretched		 Raven in flight wings out
Raven in flight wings out		 Raven in flight in early morning
Raven in flight in early morning		 Bald eagle is gone, ravens resting on hydro pole
Bald eagle is gone, ravens resting on hydro pole
Raven flying over departing bald eagle
Raven flying over departing bald eagle		 Raven encouraging bald eagle to leave
Raven encouraging bald eagle to leave		 Raven flying past bald eagle
Raven flying past bald eagle		 Raven and bald eagle
Raven and bald eagle
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Sofia Shen 16-Jul-2023 06:09
love these pictures! I see ravens flying on the cliffs together here on the updraft that comes in from the ocean.
Sean-Thomas Andrew Gunnell 14-Sep-2017 23:25
May I use one of your photos for source material for a drawing/painting? What do you charge?
Guest 25-Apr-2017 13:13
thank you so much for sharing your heart lifting photos! xxx
cjm 06-Nov-2016 18:02
Thanks for sharing your wonderful photos.
Katrina 16-Dec-2015 21:53
Very nice pics you are lucky to be around such beauty
begnrmind 09-Dec-2015 19:29
amazing photos, can almost hear the glottal cry
Kay Lopez 25-Sep-2015 14:53
I meant, DEAR PAUL,
May I have permission to sketch one of your ravens for a pen and ink portrait?
Kay Lopez 25-Sep-2015 14:49
Dear Steve, Could i have permission to sketch one of the ravens for a pen and ink portrait?
lopezkay@att.net
Guest 11-Dec-2014 04:26
Beautiful photos of a beautiful bird!
Guest 09-Dec-2014 22:34
Was looking for some good flying raven's photos, and here I found some really good ones. Thank you very much!
Guest 28-May-2014 12:03
Found your site, looking for Raven images, my fav bird. I am a watercolorist...and they intrigue me
to no end. I have fed a pair of them for years, observing and taking pictures...none look like yours..
really sensational!!!
Guest 26-Apr-2014 20:49
These amazing birds have always caught my attention. I just watched a flock of around 30 down on our baseball field, never have seen that many before. Wished I had had a good camera to take of them. The gradually flew off to the trees. Thanks for sharing you photos, very interesting birds~
Turi 09-Mar-2014 01:24
Your work has inspired and allowed me to paint a series of paintings with ravens and other animals; a years work. I am so grateful. Words can't express. Thank you for your gorgeous photos!
Steve 14-Feb-2014 15:42
Currently working up a soapstone carving with Raven. Your gallery is wonderful.
Raven the Wind Knight 05-Jan-2014 05:27
I LIKE RAVEN
Guest 02-Jan-2014 23:31
That is an amazing photo collection. I looked you up to see ravens for a clay piece I am making. Wow I had so many beautiful head shots to see. Thank you so much!
claudia 24-Dec-2013 16:35
all I can say is thank you for the intimate look at the life and antics of this magnificent and intelligent creature. we, as a species, could learn so much from this corvid, or any animal for that matter.
Corvid lover 23-Dec-2013 03:05
Thanks for the incredible images. When I was a kid of 10-11, I raised an American crow from 2-3 days old. I had JoeJoe for ~4 years. Corvids are such wonderful creatures!
Thanks again for sharing this wonderful images!
Guest 14-Dec-2013 18:08
Thank you for the beautiful images. I too love ravens and am moved by your work.
I live in a mild climate and visit ravens and crows daily at various locations. There does seem to be animosity between them but I have noticed when the alarm call goes out amongst the crows as a hawk approaches, the raven often joins the mob in chasing it off.
Guest 01-Dec-2013 17:35
great. awesome. wow.
timing.
Che the artist 04-Nov-2013 10:21
I am painting Odin on his throne, he needs a raven on each shoulder. Thank you so much for the models!
Guest 22-Oct-2013 22:57
I too have a love for the Raven, I wouldlove to feed them but my neighbors complain. I live in the mountains of NM. There are so many here. I love to listen to them talk.
Jess 12-Sep-2013 09:29
such beautiful pictures! thank you for sharing these and capturing an incredible animal!
Robson Valley 23-Jul-2013 19:47
Carving a pair of Raven dishes 4" x 4" x 12" in yellow cedar. Needed to see better wing shapes than my rusty imagination can recall. Think I can move ahead. Thank you.
Dianne Marie Gulley 21-Jun-2013 17:00
I feel honored today; seeing your site and the beautiful pictures of the raven. I respect the raven's intelligence and their meaning to us throughout the ages of time. Thank you
Jody 21-Oct-2012 16:22
These are beautiful images. I am most impressed by those shots that show the relative size of the raven with other well-known birds, such as eagles and crows, or those that play with light, changing the black to something else. My favourite images of the raven on the June 5 pair - LOVE those silhouettes!
Cristina Lipp 21-Oct-2012 03:30
Your gallery on Ravens is amazing! Do you grant permission to use any of your photos on someone's web or virtual pinboard? If so, how much do you charge per photo. I love looking at your photos of Ravens. Thank you
D.Rairdan 29-Jul-2012 16:46
You have spent a lot a time recording this wonderful bird, thank you for sharing.
D.Rairdan 29-Jul-2012 16:39
You have spent a lot a time recording this wonderful bird, thank you for sharing.
Werner B. 11-Jul-2012 17:56
Great! These pictures are really amazing and provide a very good insight into the life of ravens. Thank you for this excellent gallery!
Kirsty 16-May-2012 20:57
Wow! Your pictures are astounding. I love Ravens and have some nesting behind my house but they are very shy here. 3 successful fledglings, and I see the 5 of them every day. I WISH I could take pictures as good as this of them. Thanks so much for sharing these - it really makes me happy to see such great views.
Guest 27-May-2011 21:15
lily, wonderful, thrilling, I always regret they won't "stand still" so I can really see them,you have made them stand still!!! thank you
Leo Merle 07-May-2011 15:35
What a wonderful collection of Ravens and their habits.I live in Northern California , Sonoma County,at the 1000 elevation in a hardwood forest with conifers.Two ravens, male and female live nearby and respond to my call (a caaw or tock) and arrive on my deck for their daily treat of crackers.They walk and hop from one to another and stack them, sometimes 6-8 at a time, then back to their nest in a large conifer.It has been a close relationship for the past 6 years.They will allow me to approach within two feet and there they draw the line.When I was away for a ten day hospital stay they would return each day at morning and evening with vociferous calling.My wife would put out the crackers for them but they appeared frustrated that I was not present.To me they are stunning and facinating with distinct personalities and I am honored to be accepted into their lives to the extent that I am
Raven Sky08-Apr-2011 22:20
Well considering my name of course I love these. Having taken care of an injured Raven at a center in Alaska awhile back and having great reverence for these amazingly intelligent birds... I love them.. awesome gallery
Guest 14-Sep-2010 16:20
These pictures are amazing! You have helped me so much in my A level art project - Thank you!
Brendan 08-Sep-2010 12:32
Stunning picks, love Ravens, they're kinda wicked birds but can't help admiring their beauty and your images do them justice.
morag 30-Aug-2010 13:11
I'm a tattoo artist looking for raven references.Your images are fantastic, so alive and full of action,you can almost hear them squawk
Katherine 29-Aug-2010 18:51
Nice images of these interesting birds. I am wondering if anyone can help me find out more about the red footed ravens that used to live at the Tower of London? The warder who gave our tour in 1959 said their feet were red from eating dead soldiers at Battle of Waterloo. These ravens are gone now but would love to find out more about them. Katherine
rees 25-Aug-2010 05:17
your gallery of ravens have inspired my next raven tattoo...Ironically the first raven tattoo is the same as that book cover. Great shots.
joseantonio08-Jun-2010 05:20
Great images. Good job
Bob Pelkey06-Jun-2010 05:54
Did you see the 1st of its kind Raven shot in the June 2010 NG mag, Paul?
Guest 08-Apr-2010 10:42
Thanks for this photos, i love ravens.
marilyn brooks 23-Feb-2010 21:41
took me back to my days when I was younger out in the fields with my brothers looking at mother nature...you captured that!. I was young again....thank you
tmkrenzer15-Nov-2009 21:53
Stunning body of work. I am reading a wonderful book by Bernd Heinrich about the life of the raven. These pictures really compliment my readings and studies about these wonderful creatures. I did have the joy of seeing them in the Adirondacks, NY in mid September.
Martin 27-Oct-2009 19:08
WOW! Absolutely stunning! These are the best Raven pictures I have ever seen on the internet - and on top of that on various - and sometimes even almost unthinkable - stances (hope this is the right word)
They are so intelligent and very aware of their environment!
Thanks again and Greetings from Switzerland!
Paul Rix 16-Aug-2009 01:41
I've got a picture of a raven on my latest book 'The day the Ravens died', I wish I'd seen these pics, I'd have done a deal to have had one of yours instead! I write under the name Timothy Pilgrim, and my ravens were those at the Tower of London.
Anthony Taiber 11-Aug-2009 22:25
The best raven images I've ever seen! Great to see that everyone else loves ravens so much too.
FearlessFlyer 10-May-2009 21:45
I have a raven that I raised and hand fed from an infant. I consider it to be one of the prime experiences of my life. I have NEVER known a more tame, more loving, or more loyal creature in my life. He imprinted on me...I'm Mama Raven and I'm honored
GregB 02-Apr-2009 08:17
Just spent a bunch of time looking through these. My girlfriend and I love ravens, and enjoy your photos a lot.
Nebron 20-Feb-2009 17:27
You are a brilliant photographer..it inspires me.. thank you
Alex 18-Feb-2009 21:57
All I can say is wow. These are the best photos of Ravens I have come across. I am a painter an have to do a series of Ravens...Your photos will help me so much in capturing the moves and mannerisms of the bird. Excellent job. You should do a book. Alex
susan turnbull 06-Feb-2009 23:58
Hi Paul,I am a big fan of your work. Presently I am illustrating a children's book for the SD Historical Society (Raccoon & the Bee Tree) Of course I must use many SD animals in the illustrations. Your Raven photos are great. They will help me a lot. Great work as always!
Ajala 26-Nov-2008 22:30
Paul, thank you SO much for these most beautiful photographs!! I try myself to photograph ravens, I have some around here where I live, but I never managed to make one shot as good as you! Great stuff!! Love Ajala :)
Hector 21-Nov-2008 18:41
Those pictures are very nice, thanks for sharing them with us. It would be cool if you could add the name of the subspecies too (Corvus corax is only the species).
Some anectodes would be fun too.
jessica 16-Nov-2008 05:25
i have dreaming up a tattoo of a raven for over 9 yrs. i could never find the perfect poser or combo of photos to get this idea out of my head.a raven flying directly towards you...well i have 7 crow/raven tattoos. i just stumbled across your site thru google. i have never seen such amazing detailed beautiful shots like these. i can finally use these as a guide to design my dream tattoo! thank you so much!!
Sophia 29-Sep-2008 17:29
Thank you SO much, Paul, for these incredible photos of wonderful, powerful, beautiful Raven. Raven is one of my constant guides, and your pictures are a delight. I especially love the photos of Raven carrying eggs! Blessings.
Guest 19-Sep-2008 10:09
you have definetely one of the most beautiful photosites on crows/ravens. I feel lucky i came across it. I especially love the action pictures, the birds landing, taking of or in flight. One doesn't see many photos like that on other sites.
Guest 13-Sep-2008 09:53
Thank you Paul for your wonderful clear photos of all aspects of Raven flight and movement. I feel I understand their anatomy so much more now. I wish I'd seen these pictures before I did my sculpture of a Raven shouting into the wind, I'd have been much less puzzled by certain feather arrangements. We have Ravens here in the South West UK, but although I hear them croaking through my studio ceiling as they fly overhead, they never come close. Beautiful photographs, that really get inside their world. Thanks again. Ama Menec - Sculptor, Totnes, Devon, UK.
Guest 20-Aug-2008 20:05
that was so cool that was so cool
Alistair 14-Jul-2008 22:39
I don't know why but ravens and crows are my favourite birds. Something almost mythical about them. Like the pics. Also like your photos of other subjects. Any raven's head close ups ?
David 05-Jun-2008 15:55
I have been fortunate to live much of my life in Alaska, Montana, Idaho, and Washington. Coming froma farm in Nebraska and into the Air Force at age 17 I was familiar with crows but had never seen a Raven. How exciting the first time I saw them at play!! They are my favorite bird, possibly favorite animal. Their vocabulary, intellegence, courage and playful spirit never ceases to entertain me. I had no idea there were so many other folks out there that enjoyed them as much as I. This is a wonderful site Paul. I refer to it frequently when I need a little spirit break at work. Thank you very much.
charlie 30-May-2008 22:12
thank you ! great pics !
Frances 07-May-2008 01:11
I love the detail of the feather patterns.
All the large "black birds" in my area died off with the West Nile virus several years back. They performed such amazing aerial maneuvers. I miss them. I'm not sure if they were crows or ravens. I used to think they were one and the same. I know better what to look for now.

There are Peregrine Falcons in my area. This winter I noticed one in a tree right after it had caught and killed a smaller bird. It ate some then sat on the little body in that tree for several hours until dark. I have about 600 pictures of the duration. Some are better than others.
Bill 04-May-2008 02:05
I live across from the Government Center in Ventura, Ca where four Ravens have flown around for several years. Every time I see them flying, I stop what I'm doing and watch. Most people in the apartment complex don't know what they are missing by not watching. I also saw a seagull chase a Raven that had some food in it's mouth and another Raven flew up behing the gull and grabbed it by the tail feathers. Very intelligent birds. Thanks for the background picture.
greenfoot 22-Apr-2008 17:43
I agree coraxgirl. These are the some beautiful raven pics on the web. Thank you.
lily 05-Apr-2008 22:12
Wow, someone else who loves THEM as much as I do...thanks. lily
coraxgirl 30-Mar-2008 15:27
Absolutely stunning photos, I've never seen such wonderful raven pics on the web. All my congrats :-)
firefly67 17-Mar-2008 13:59
Oh my, these are great!! Where I live (central Illinois and part-time Southern Indiana) we don't HAVE any ravens, but I'm writing a tale of shapeshifters, one of whom is Raven--and really needed to see, close-up, how they look, the expressions they might have, etc. Your photos are very telling indeed - make me feel that I'm right there watching! Thanks a million! If there were any ravens where I live, I'd surely photograph them, as I do any hawks & the like that get within range. My neighborhood corvids are too wary of people...I can only catch a shot of them way up in the tallest trees!
Ali Majdfar21-Feb-2008 20:54
Stunning captures, GMV
Frimpong The Travelling Bear08-Feb-2008 12:26
Beautiful series dedicated to a very beautiful bird!
Marisa
Ron Fredrick08-Feb-2008 03:10
Terrific gallery, Paul. You have some wonderful images which are obviously inspiring even to those who have never seen a live raven. Great work. Voted.
Cheryl 06-Feb-2008 02:58
the most amazing series of Raven photos.
Wondeeful, I loved it. Thank you for sharing
Leslie 02-Feb-2008 21:12
Wonderful sources for my paintings, thank you! I live in the desert region of So. Calif. and we love these birds, which have become the subject of much of my art.
Eric 31-Jan-2008 05:01
Your pictures are awesome, just like their subject! Ravens are very nice, smart birds. They're sacred in the Yukon, the land I fell for. I was looking for a spreaded-wings raven pic to model for my next tattoo: I've found it! I can't get tired of sitting on my porch and watch a couple ravens talking and teaming up together to trick my dog away from his food so they can steal it....
Laken 12-Jan-2008 06:37
Wonderful photos! I'm always looking for good references to study for my artwork, and you've got the best photos I've found on the 'net. So lucky you get to be so close to these birds. :>
Crystal 30-Dec-2007 03:57
I will use your images as reference for my next tattoo - thank you. The images are better than I expected to find on the internet!
Guest 11-Dec-2007 11:28
Wonderful photographs of an amazing creature. We are lucky enough to see Ravens regularly here in the Highlands of Scotland. I have watched pairs doing spectacular synchronised flying and watched them grasping each others feet high in the sky and spinning to within a few feet of the ground before letting go of one another. They enjoy the excitement of flight in a way few other birds do.
Best Wishes
Dave - Inverness Scotland.
screenname 08-Dec-2007 17:11
your pictures are beautiful. i had no idea of the beauty and grace of these birds. we have a lot of crows here in southern california but i am always on the look out for the exceptional raven. the picures are thrilling and real, putting a smile on the face of someone appreciates the complex personality of this black bird.
Brendon 30-Nov-2007 07:00
Wow, very nice stuff.
dayna 23-Sep-2007 03:07
Love all of these photos, I am a huge fan of the clever corvid. I have 2 pair of mated crows, that I have fed for the last 4 or 5 years. Raven and crow hold a very special place with me, their intelligence and what appears to me to be a sense of humor, I have watched them antagonize my cats for what I believe is the fun of it. Sometimes I would swear I could hear them laughing.
Thanks for posting these, I will check back to see it any new ones show up.
Michellino 16-Sep-2007 13:40
Paul, these are the best Raven pictures I have ever seen and I look everywhere continuously. You have a Raven book here for sure.
Michellino
Maddie 01-Sep-2007 15:08
These pictures are beautiful! I love them. Ravens are such elegant creatures.
Guest 19-Apr-2007 01:31
EXCELLENT. I've been a fan of corvids for years. Saved a group of blue jays from cats after their nest was blown from a tree during a tornado, but ravens have always held the dearest place in my heart. I named my daughter Morrigan after the Celtic goddess, who took the form of a raven. I'm about to get my back done in a raven, with wings spread, from shoulder to shoulder, and I may use one of your pics. I have never seen anyone capture them so well, and the photo of the feather-prints in the snow is poignant in some way I haven't the words to explain. I bow to you sir.
Jay 13-Mar-2007 22:31
Jay
Cristina 01-Mar-2007 03:41
I have always loved ravens. Your pictures are awesome. The best I've ever seen. Unfortunately, I live in Florida and there are no ravens here. Wish I could see a live one. I wanted to ask permission to use one or maybe two of your pictures to put on a forum page where I am a member. Please let me know if this is okay. Also, do you sell any of your prints? Please respond ASAP. Thanks
Cristina 01-Mar-2007 03:36
I have always loved ravens. Your pictures are awesome. The best I've ever seen. Unfortunately, I live in Florida and there are no ravens here. Wish I could see a live one. I wanted to ask permission to use one or maybe two of your pictures to put on a forum page where I am a member. Please let me know if this is okay. Also, do you sell any of your prints? Please respond ASAP. Thanks
Michele 01-Mar-2007 02:15
I love your work. I am a sculptor who would love to have the eye you have. Where I live, we have no ravens, but the crows bring me pleasure. Is it possible for me to purchase one of your prints? I have my eye on one in particular.
Michele Lucas 28-Feb-2007 15:59
This is the best collection of raven photos I have seen. I am not lucky enough to have them in the area in which I live, so I mingle with the crows. Do you sell any of your work? I would be interested in having more than a few of your prints. Thank you.
Bat 06-Feb-2007 17:49
Very Beautiful pics!! I just saw one in my backyard and got curious so I looked this up :)
Ray 05-Feb-2007 01:26
Wonderful pictures. I will carve a Raven in wood one day. I would like to use your pictures as references. Thanks
mike Driscoll 17-Jan-2007 20:28


Thank you for these great images. I am doing a chlidrens picture book of a witch and her raven side kick Crackles, and was hard pressed for reference. These will do nicely. If and when published I'll send you a copy .although I can't see an email address, but Ill be back for another look I'm sure
Joan D 10-Dec-2006 01:20
Love your Raven Pictures! Have you ever read the book "Ravens in Winter" by Berndt Heinrich? Also, a great Native American trickster tale "How Raven Stole the Sun" from the Northwest Coast Tlingit traditions. It's odd but this bird seems to follow me around. Thanks for sharing your beautiful pictures and showing everyone what wonderful birds they are!!
BILLY 29-Nov-2006 04:32
THANK U FOR YOUR GREAT PIX IM GETTING MY ENTIRE BACK TATOOD AS A RAVEN IM GONNA USE ONE OF YA PIX
Luela Roberts 12-Nov-2006 20:40
These are some of the best photos of ravens I have ever seen. Absolutely wonderful.
Moira Ashleigh 03-Oct-2006 12:30
Hi Paul

I love your Raven images. I have never seen so many great images of Ravens in one place before. I want to thank you for your generosity in letting me use some of the images in my art work on Zazzle. I appreciate the gift.

Thank you
Moira Ashleigh
Guest 22-Sep-2006 05:16
Paul thankyou for your amazing photos. I'm currently making an art quilt of the Murray Mallee and wanted to hand embroider some Ravens as they are common in this area and a loved bird of mine. Your photos will help me to get an accurate embroidery.
Kathy B
Peggy Paulson 04-Sep-2006 01:04
I am a sort of artist and one of my favourite subjects is the raven. Thank you so much for your wonderful photographs. I live in the country surrounded by ravens and you have caught their incredible intelligence and beauty perfectly. I have used your photographs as guides so far for a painting and two sculptures. I am now planning to do a fused glass piece of a flying raven, using some wonderful silky, opalescent glass that is perfect for the feather colours. Thank you.
Ronald Smits 25-Jul-2006 18:51
Excellent pictures of a beautiful bird! The best raven pictures of the internet!
Bill Adams 12-Jul-2006 00:14
Great raven photos. I have looked all over the web and these are the best!
Janice Andrews 10-Apr-2006 20:41
exceptional photographs especially of ravens flying!
Brian McGeough24-Nov-2005 14:38
I like these raven pictures alot, really good captures.
Albert Steen-Hansen20-Nov-2005 10:41
Thanks for commenting on my raven photo from Norway. You really have some great shots of raven of your own.
Guest 12-Nov-2005 19:27
Outstanding work! Great to see another person who appreciates this amazing bird.
Tomasz Dziubinski - Photography11-Oct-2005 15:59
Vote!
Tomasz Dziubinski - Photography11-Oct-2005 15:58
Excellent gallery Paul :)
Graham Tomlin29-Sep-2005 13:37
nice gallery
BonsEYE26-Aug-2005 02:06
Excellent gallery. One of my favorite birds. I used to feed a pair of crows a few years ago. They'd come when called and actually follow my dog and I along the street for a few blocks if they spotted us. I could never get any good shots of them that showed as much detail as yours. Bravo.
Garrett Lau12-Apr-2005 03:41
Thanks for commenting on my raven photo. You have some great raven photos of your own. I especially like the action shots.
Joe 08-Apr-2005 03:24
Paul,
I really enjoyed all of your pictures, espically your raven gallery. Nice high quality pictures of some very beautiful birds.
Paul Lantz27-Mar-2005 10:38
Raven's End - not sure but did look it up on amazon. Thanks for bringing to my attention.
Guest 27-Mar-2005 07:57
These are great photos, and must have taken some time to capture. Have you heard of Ben Gadd's book Raven's End? It's a fab read for corvid fans.

Paul Bennett
Paul Lantz19-Feb-2005 05:05
I'm lucky to have a couple that are around regularly and sometimes see half a dozen flying around especially in the morning. I enjoyed Heinrich's books and Bird Brains as well as one called Ravensong that has just been reissued. Also a Natural History of the Raven in the Britain and Ireland.
The ravens are the only corvids here in winter, in the rest of the year there is a lot of unfriendly interaction between them and crows.
dave lyons 18-Feb-2005 06:14
Hello Paul, I'm really enjoying your raven photos. I've been a long time raven fan since reading Bernd Heinrich's books (too few photos and not well printed unfortunately) and a book titled Bird Brains. There is only one raven here and he never comes to my window feeder--just the scrubjays and acorn woodpeckers.
Paul Lantz26-Oct-2004 23:16
That book and his later book really inspired me a lot.
Guest 26-Oct-2004 22:02
Reminds me of "Ravens in Winter".
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