It's tough when you get two potential PADS & can't make up your mind. I actually prefer http://www.pbase.com/image/40328811 but decided to get away from roses for a day. It took a while getting this composed. Where I was standing with the tripod was about a 45 degree snow covered slope (the bank fell off into a ditch & so did I). Worked on the little things - like getting separation between the bottom of the sign & the fence.