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22-MAR-2004

22nd March 2004 - proud of their flag

Today I think I’ve learned a great deal.

One of the first things I noticed yesterday on arrival here in the USA was the huge number of ‘Stars and Stripes’ flags everywhere. I got off the plane and the first thing I saw was one, since then I’ve seen dozens of them. They were all around the airport, along the journey to Princeton, on cars, walls, roofs and in and around the hotel itself.

Comparing the United Kingdom and the United States of America couldn’t be more different…in the UK we mostly seem to fly the flag of the little bit of the UK that we associate with – Scotland, Wales, England or whatever. I’ve always found that hard given that I was born outside of the UK and so don’t closely associate with any one bit of it. I also have a problem in that when I applied for my first passport I was devastated to be told that I didn’t deserve one because of being born outside the UK. My Dad got most upset that he was serving ‘Queen and country’ and I was born in an RAF hospital so he felt (and rightly) that his child did deserve a UK passport. Of course, the passport office realised their mistake and gave me a UK passport after all. Every time I renew it, I go through a similar problem. When I left the UK yesterday I was quizzed by passport control as to why my passport said my place of birth was Dhekelia. All-in-all it makes me not really relate to being English if you can appreciate that. Even though I’d say I am about as British as it’s possible to be.

It made me realise that the thing the USA has is a great sense of national pride….or at least it certainly looks that way from a new visitor. You don’t see flags of individual states, you see the Stars and Stripes. The unity of the states seems comprehensive. In Europe I think we sometimes find it hard to believe in unity, I often see evidence of us all pulling off in different directions. It’s not only an issue in the UK but is also true across other European countries too.

Here though, it’s about being an American it appears to me.

I’ve learned that most of the American people I’ve met are very much like us…same hang-ups and same goals so I wonder why they unite behind their flag and we seem not to?

I’ve also learned that meat is a must here. At breakfast I had to ask for something to be cooked for me because even the scrambled eggs had ham in them…the poached eggs had corned beef with them and the potatoes had bacon! At lunch, there was nothing veggie (despite telling them in advance I am veggie) other than the cold salad accompaniments that everyone else had as well as their food. Before I left home I was worried about putting on more weight while away – three cooked meals a day, need I say more. At this rate, I think I’ll be going home lighter rather than heavier….


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virginiacoastline24-Mar-2004 00:49
Keep in mind, Linda, that Americans are enamored with Atkins & South Beach diets right now cuz some study somewhere said high protein (meaning all the stuff guys thought was BAD for sooooo long) is now GOOD and carbs (all the good veggies, fruit & pastas) are BAD. . . .gives us a while & we'll all be clamoring after the sawdust & gravel diet cuz there are more minerals & fiber!! LOL . . . .and flags . . . yup, you'll find lots of 'em especially around military towns.
Someday (there's that ubiquitous word again) I'll get to yout side of the pond & see what the fuss is all about with googlies . .or what ever they're called.
Right now I'm chuffed you're here! (how's THAT!)
Guest 23-Mar-2004 23:02
PS Sorry you're struggling with the grub... I'll be thinking of you while I'm enjoying my 2 gifts you sent me at the weekend... looking at one and eating the other! They're both wonderful, thanks.
Guest 23-Mar-2004 22:59
Wehey! This is the closest to a political discussion I've seen on Pbase so far! I have read everyone's comments with interest, and would just say that I can understand Ray's comment. I'm not sure I would call it a 'uniformity', but as someone passionately opposed to Britain becoming a state of a European Federation I can see where he is coming from!

By the way, Big Sis... another thing that makes us so different! I NEVER refer to myself being British, but ENGLISH and proud of it (unless I'm on holiday in Europe where I'm often ashamed to be associated with the Brits staggering round in their Union Jack shorts!). Even though technically we are (so I understand) 1/4 Irish, 3/8 Welsh and 3/8 English! I have my roots and home in England, and whilst I love the other parts of Britain I have visited i am most definitely an English girl!

Have a great time at the weekend... not long to go now!
Teresa 23-Mar-2004 18:23
I agree with Jill. We have an huge amount of veggies here in the south. She just made me hungery talking about all that good food. Of course I know she is right most of you don't know what any of that stuff is anyway. And also, I have a flag flying in my front yard.
Linda Alstead23-Mar-2004 05:45
Oh and btw - I have not got a broadband connection here - it's a modem dialup so I can't look at pics of others - it's not that I don't want to it's just a practical thing...sorry!
Linda Alstead23-Mar-2004 05:42
Y'know - I love the fact that you are all different - we too are different - it's just that you seem to know when it's important to stand together....
brother_mark23-Mar-2004 05:32
Well, it may be that Americans fly the flag more than Canadians or Londoners, but the big burst of individual flag flying came after September 11, 2001. Businesses have long flown the flag, but the flag became a less common sight on many people's doorstep in the 1970s. NY/NJ still has quite a bit more flag flying (what is the proper term?) than most other areas and it is because of 9/11. I don't know the numbers, but so many, many people from NJ and Ny were killed that day. Here in Washington, many individual displays of the flag have ceased. Casualties here were low.

I must point out however that the yellow/gold flag in this photo is the state flag of New Jersey. Also, to Ray's point, there's a lot of homogeneity in the U.S. It's pretty much one great big marketing effort. Many people would much rather eat at a "safe" place like "Applebee's" than a mom and pop type restaurant. (Of course they want it to feel like Cheers, the corner bar.) We have so much homogeneity among products and TV, but there are real differences among the regions, if not states. NYC and northern NJ types are quite different than Alabamans or Iowans; especially the ones who never leave their region. :) Now I'll stop pointing out the divisions before I provoke another war between the states. :)
Guest 23-Mar-2004 04:08
Talking about meat, I was amazed by the size of beacon at a hotel in London. Forgot which hotel it was, it's almost 10 years ago now. (and I was photographing, what a shame)
Guest 23-Mar-2004 04:03
Thought I wasn't gonna comment at all. But here it is.

I've spending at least 40% of my time travelling in various US states for the past 5 years. It wasn't just the 9/11, and not only the enormous number of the flags. It has always benn and gigantic in size. I love USA as much as I love Canada, where my home and of which my citizenship is. But you won't see as many or as big the flags are in Ontario, Canada. I started to see bigger flags now.

IMO, Princeton or the New England area isn't exactly the same as the heartland, the south or the west. I love the Texas food, the Northen California weahter, the Midwest culture, the Virginia & DC landscapes, and certainly every bit of Midtown Manhatten.
Guest 23-Mar-2004 03:33
Wonderful analysis, Linda, and welcome to the States! I agree with Steven, it's definitely 9/11 that brought us all together and for a while it was even fashionable to bear the American flag. What I also find interesting is how the nationalistic hype does not convert to widespread support of the Bush administration.
Guest 23-Mar-2004 02:39
Don't mistake it for blind uniformity Ray. We know how to unite for a cause and as a nation, but being from one state or another still means a lot to most folks. It's a bit like being a member of the same crew (sorry, the Navy is where I get my analogies), we were all from different backgrounds, different states, different races. Many crew members could not stand one another, but if you messed with one, you messed with us all. There's crew, and then there's everyone else.
9/11 revived a great deal of nationalistic pride and unity because the an attack on one part is an attack on the whole.
northstar3723-Mar-2004 01:19
That's dedication, keeping it up even when you're away abroad :-)
Lara S23-Mar-2004 01:09
Indeed it was 9/11 that sprouted (is that a word Mark and did I spell it right) that national pride through the flag. And with time it's actually diminished a little. As for the food. don't worry we'll fatten you up once you're in New York. Jill can you bring some of those fried green tomatoes and okra with you? We don't have them veggies in New York. LOL. I think though that restaurants in New York are slowly catering to the veggie croud. Some menus do have a vegetarian section or do point out the vegetarian choices. Oh and one more thing: Four More Days!!!!
Jill23-Mar-2004 00:54
LOL LOL LOL at Jeanne's comment!!!

Well, Linda if you were down her (here) in tha (the) South you would find vegetarian..beans and cornbread, turnip greens, fried okra. LOL LOL...confused?
Fried green tomatoes too...of course it would all be cooked for you by me:)

Now for the flag...dont see it much here either..a few homes display it...I too feel it is related to 09/11.

It is ALMOST worth staying home this weekend to see your PAD experience in America each day. What am I saying???? I shall see it through your eyes!!!! So excited I am.
Ray :)23-Mar-2004 00:38
Yes, my limited experience of the states suggests its just one big country that just happens to be divided up into 50 states. I suppose its because all these states came together in a comparitavely short time and were settled by similar peoples. I think we are so lucky here in Europe to have so many diverse cultures within a few hours drive. I certainly don't hanker over this North American uniformity.
Guest 23-Mar-2004 00:36
Yup, you're right, we DO display our flag a lot! It's MUCH more prominent now after the 9/11 attack than before. I'm sitting here laughing at Jeanne's comments, about the European style Mexican food, oh that's too much!
Guest 23-Mar-2004 00:22
Hello Linda! What an interesting image and posting today... I do think that the events of 9-11 did increase the display of the flag as well as a more open acceptance of the expression of national patriotism. We fly the flag at our house all the time now but before 9-11 it was only a holiday thing. Many of my neighbors do as well. I like that expression of pride in and love of one's country... or that's what it is to me.

I am having so much fun picturing you in NY and picturing the PADers meeting up! Enjoy.
Guest 23-Mar-2004 00:11
LOL!!! I'm sorry Linda but this is too funny for me! Your perspective is wonderful! As for the flags, I think being on the eastern side of the states, where the events of 9/11 had SUCH an impact, the flag IS more prominently displayed than anywhere else in the USA. Out here in California I don't notice it as much.

As for the food issue, honey, you ARE in trouble!! I was vegetarian for 8 years and it's almost IMPOSSIBLE to find food to eat in restaurants in NEW JERSEY!!! I once asked if the SALAD at a restaurant was vegetarian, and the waitress yes, "Yes, it only has chicken in it, that's vegetarian, right?"

This also coming form a state where we once planned a catered event at the office where I worked, and the boss said, "Let's get something DIFFERENT for a change...you know, European style food....like Japanese and Mexican!!" And she wasn't joking!!!!