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Welcome !!! If after reading this study and watching the video links , if you still support tongues and being slain in the spirit, please post in the comment section of this page " WHY you still do ". Thank you !!!
If only Christians who seek the Word of God for instruction in righteousness, the teachings of Rodney Howard Brown and other Charismatics would come to a complete stop. Acts 17:11 - Now the Bereans were more noble-minded than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if these teachings were true. Examine ( search ) the scriptures and be like a Berean. Be zealous for God but not according to the shows Rodney Howard Brown puts on. Romans 10:2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. Romans 10:3
This is a COMPREHENSIVE study on Rodney Howard Browne ( and others ) control of the Holy Spirit to SLAY people where they sit or stand rendering them partially or completely out of control. Sometimes leaving his so called followers unable to stay conscious or able to control their voluntary muscles and inhabitions. Ive seen 2 videos where people are on their backs but still able to hold a microphone and talk in it. Those I cant figure out unless they are totally faking it. Sometimes they lay and exhibit symptoms that are simliar to medical seizures and sometimes they lay totally motionless.
My intent is not to put a stumblingblock in your way but to remove the stumbling block which in this case is a false teacher. Matthew 7:15, 1 Timothy 6:3 , Romans 16:17,Titus 1:9,1 Thessalonians 5:21 In this work you will find bible scripture and videos to links that give more insight into the wrong teachings of being slain in the spirit, speaking in tongues, receiving MORE revelations from God and other heretical works of the NEW apostolic reformation.
Lets jump right in !! Some of you here at " MOVE OF GOD ( and other similar pages ) - https://www.facebook.com/moveofgodofficial " like to bring up Acts 2 with the " drunk in the spirit " claim but you REFUSE to bring up ALL scripture about " Pentecost ". They claim the apostles were acting drunk BUT scripture does not support that claim. What scripture does say is that others thought they were drunk because of them speaking in languages not of their own. Thats all there was to this. The Holy Spirit would NEVER cause anyone to act drunk. It was never recorded in scripture that somene who acted drunk was " annointed " with the Holy Spirit.
What is mentioned is that " others " who did not understand the manifestation of TONGUES were assuming the apostles were drunk. They had no idea what was taking place and drunkeness was the only reason that was stated in scripture. The bible does say be FILLED with the spirit. Ephesians 5:18 which says, "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;" meaning to be guided by God's Spirit rather than worldly desires. Scripture does not say BE DRUNK in the spirit. Charismatics TWIST scripture to their own demise !
Also tongues during Pentecost in Acts were a language KNOWN by the listener for which that message was intended. Thats it.... Thats all there is. Sorry if this doesnt agree with you but thats all there is in Acts 2 ". Those that heard the apostles speak in tongues said " And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?" Acts 2:8 There is a link below of a video I made showing Rodney Howard Browne speaking in an unknown language where NO ONE could understand him, but NEEDING a translator to communicate to those who spoke a language that he ( RHB ) didnt know how to speak. A obvious blantant exposure of Rodney Howard Browne showing he has no gift of apostolic tongues.
You can base your knowledge of tongues with Robert Howard Brown speaking humble alah bumble bee bop a boomba, or you can base your understanding of tongues based on scripture...... your decision. Its bewildering that some can mix what those claim the apostels were " ..... ( drunk ) and then claim that those who are supposedly flapping like a fish out of water ( slain in the spirit ) to be " drunk " in the spirit. Amazing display of taking scripture out of context. Lets put this into simplified context. Charismatics are doing the SAME THING those on Pentecost were doing that did not understand what was taking place. Charismatics are claiming they were acting drunk ! This is so sad. In fact Peter had to explain to those people it was only 9 in the morning ( which I assume ) nobody drank that early.
2 Peter 3:16 ... in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest ( twist or distort ) , as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. The creepy thing is that being slain in the spirit and tongues are things ( with the direction of scripture and the Holy Spirit ) are not HARD to understand. There EASY to understand, yet Charismatics even fail to understand the easy stuff !
There are two things Rodney Howard Brown ( RHB ) does that are not biblical. Being slain in the spirit ( falling down ) and tongues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENcFLTvuw1k&t=190s
NO WHERE in the bible are tongues practiced like you see in RHBs services. NO WHERE.
Even if tongues were biblical for today hes doing it wrong. FIRST... SIGNS are for unbelievers (1 Corinthians 14:22-25) .... that eliminates ALL Of RHBs congregation. Tongues are for sharing Gods Word between people who speak DIFFERENT languages. Corinth was a place of great trade and travel. People there spoke all kinds of languages and thats why biblical tongues were used then.
A MAJOR RULE of tongues is there must be an interpreter present. Someone in the immediate vicinity MUST UNDERSTAND the " tongue " being spoken. THIS IS NEVER done in RHB services except when Rodney speaks in English and has a translator speak in the languages of the hearer ( I have made a video linked below ) . Rodney does NOT have the gift of biblical tongues but he pretends to have them. He CANT speak in the language of other non English speaking people WITHOUT a translator. A video link is below showing this !
AND there are no singing in tongues recorded in the bible as done in RHB services. When RHB speaks in " tongues " who is he speaking in " tongues " to ? 1 Corinthians 14:9- So likewise you, unless you utter by the tongue words easy to understand, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. Rodney Howard Brown FAILS miserably to practice tongues as they were spoken in the bible. Heres one shameful display of RHB and Kenneth Copeland using tongues NOT as scripture reveals.... https://youtu.be/jrMO6vQN8qg Can you believe this ? Both of them are talking in " tongues " to each other ! Neither knows what the other is saying ! Both of their native language is English, so why are they talking this gibberish ? Because it causes those who dont know better to think they are highly spiritual ! But they are not spiritual at all. Again NO where in the bible is this remotely alluded to !
My experience is this... I have knocked on a lot of doors sharing the gospel and have encountered those who speak only Spanish. I cant speak Spanish but I hand out Spanish Gospel tracts. I can say Buenos Dias and Adios but thats not biblical tongues. You will only see FAKE tongues spoken at Charismatic churces / OR non Christian churches. I can say in my experiences I have never see it. There may be real tongues spoken but its only by the will of our sovereign God. Its no en masse as the days of Pentecost.
So now to all those Spirit filled Christians who come to RHBs services to get slain; who is this " miracle " of being slain in the spirit for ? Is it for you ? IF this was a true manifestation of a miracle YOU are the the ones whom the miracle would be for correct ? AH, but wait, miracles are for unbelievers. Jesus says, "Unless you see signs and wonders you will not believe" in John 4:48. How many times does the bible says that we are justified and live by FAITH ? Do NOT seek after signs even though the apostles incorporated signs in their ministry. Gods Word was validated by miracles. (Mark 16:15-20; Hebrews 2:1-4). Now we live by faith in the Word. Charismatics search for " signs ".
They were for a special purpose during a special time ( will go into that more soon )....we will also study on the office of apostle later. Mark 16:17-18: This verse says, "These signs shall follow them that believe in my name: they shall cast out devils, they shall speak with new tongues, they shall take up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover". Who was Jesus talking to ? The apostles. God told Noah to build an ark. Do we build an ark ? No. Do not take scripture out of context like some who dance with snakes and drink poison in church to prove their faith... unbelievable when God says do not put God to a foolish test. Matthew 4:7
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Falling backwards or being " carefully dropped to the floor backwards ". NO WHERE is this found in the the New Testament EXCEPT those that were NOT believers of God.
The Holy Spirit can do unusual things, but it first should be at least " hinted " of in scripture. There are " GIFTS " of the Holy Spirit and they are " FRUITS" of the Holy Spirit. Nothing in those two lists include falling backwards. NOTHING about falling over backwards ( as a good thing ) and laying there staring at the ceiling is mentioned in scripture. NOT EVEN JESUS fell backwards upon his baptism when the Holy Spirit came on him . O and no record of him speaking in tongues anywhere found in the bible ! https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-tongues.html
Jesus healed MANY people from sickness, crippled limbs, blindness, leprosy, and even DEATH, but there is no record of him causing anyone to fall backwards except those soldiers coming to apprehend him in the garden of Gethsemane.
The Bible has no people lining up waiting for the “anointing” to be passed on from another, not even the Apostles. Can you picture any of the Apostles running up to people and slapping them on the forehead, or lining people up to be slain? No soft music or repetitive choruses were sung to set an atmosphere ( like RHB does ) for the anointing to fall. No one yelled repetitive phrases like, “Fire!” or “touch” or “More, Lord!”
Scriptures used to validate this as Biblical are:
Gen.15, 17:1-3; Josh.5:13-15; Ez.1:28,43;1-5, 44:4; Mt.17:5-6; Rev.1:7, 7:11, 11:16-17; Acts 9.
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Many fell backwards in Scripture, but it was not a blessing! In 1 Samuel 4:18: Eli fell off his seat backwards on hearing of the death of his sons and the capture of the Ark and he died. Isaiah 28:13 the prophet speaks of God’s Word sent to refresh, but if not heard it became a judgment “that they may go and stumble backward, and be broken.” In all these examples it is a judgment, not a blessing! In 1 Samuel 28:20 we read of Saul immediately collapsing “full length” on the ground upon hearing of his impending death from Samuel after consulting the witch of Endor.
In Ezekiel 1:28 and 2:1 the prophet is overwhelmed by the vision he saw and falls forward in worship. Those who are holy fall forward in conscious submission to God’s Holy presence. They do not become dazed and confused, as in some services today. Those who are enemies ( of God at the time )fall backward when confronted with God’s true power !! Philippians 2 says every knee will bow. Those who are conscious of who they serve bow forward, willingly and fully conscious. Those who fall backward overwhelmed, show a lack of submission, and rebellion.
Daniel, in 10:4-11 encountered a powerful angel and said, “I had no strength left, my face turned deathly pale, and I was helpless... I fell into a deep sleep, my face to the ground.” Daniel fell on his face; he fell forward. This was not without purpose. Daniel, a prophet, was receiving revelation that would become Scripture.
When John saw Jesus glorified in heaven (Revelation 1:17) he describes that, ‘“I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.” John was overcome with fear; he did not recognize Him as the Jesus He knew on earth.
What about Saul on the road to Damascus in Acts 9? Those who promote the “slain in the Spirit” phenomenon cite Saul’s encounter with the appearance of the Lord on the road to Damascus in Acts 9:3-4 for Biblical support. Saul was an unbeliever on his way to his next extermination. He was knocked to the ground by a light (the Sheckinah glory) and he had a revelation of Christ. When Saul fell, no one touched him and no one was there to catch him. The Scripture doesn’t actually say how he fell, but the Greek language seems to indicate he went to the ground on his own volition. Jesus does not appear to be the source of Paul’s falling to the ground, Jesus did not allow Paul to remain on the ground, but told him to “arise and go into Damascus.” Remember Saul was unsaved at the time, so this does not provide any justification for regarding it as a model for believers to practice today. He was consciously carrying on a conversation with the Lord. In Acts 26:14 Paul, recalling the event, states all who were with him saw the light and fell to the ground, but only he heard the voice (Acts 22:9). This was an extreme measure designed to get Paul’s attention, as he was on his way to kill Christians. The others with Paul who also fell were unbelievers and stayed in their unbelieving state. Therefore, this incident involving falling to the ground (being slain by the Spirit) cannot be used to support the idea that it is a spiritual blessing, as commonly said today.
When the soldiers came to arrest Jesus, in John 18:4-6 He reveals His power in a unique way. He identified himself to the soldiers who were arresting him and they “drew back and fell to the ground.” Jesus first revealed Himself by saying His divine name, “I Am,” making it clear who it is they came for. When He identified Himself to them, they fell to the ground in judgment. These pagan sinners did fall -- backwards. They did not experience revelation or receive an anointing, or conversion, they got right back up and arrested Jesus. There was no change in them; they were still enemies of Jesus. Also, none of Jesus’ followers fell down during the arrest. Certainly none of this represents a pattern for the Church. Those who practice the artful ritual of being “slain in the Spirit” today deny or ignore these Biblical facts in order to embrace an experience that is not endorsed in the whole New Testament. Why would slain in the spirit Charismatics want to simulate enemies of Jesus I will never know !
This is even stated in the Dictionary of Pentecostal and Charismatic movements “There is no mention of the Spirit here (Jn.18:1-6) and John portrays no relationship between Spirit and power and Jesus. The text remains enigmatic, especially since John offers neither explanation for, nor effect of their fall.... BUT THOSE AT " Move of God " LOVE to use John 18:6 as their main support for being slain in the spirit. How some eyes can be blinded by pride.
Those who are in rebellion to God seem to fall backward in Scripture. This just may be a sign today, not as a blessing but to show that these people are not submitting to His Word; so it is a sign of judgment. The idea that God is doing a “new thing” is without any biblical precedent. Their attempt to justify and defend this practice is by going to texts from the Old Testament. and yanking them out of their context and background. Trying to use the few incidents in Acts one cannot make them normative for the Church (believers) today.
The power is suppose to get people up not put them down and out. At the gate Beautiful Peter said to the blind man, “silver and gold I have none, but in the name of Jesus, RISE UP and walk.” Most of these new anointed dispensers of power can’t say the same because silver and gold they have abundantly. The power of God got people up, those who were thrown to the ground shaking and having convulsions were not possessed by the Holy Spirit but often demon-possessed in need of deliverance. They were not reacting from receiving God’s power they were in need of God’s power for it to stop.
Many travel to crusades to get this anointing from the anointed mediator who dispenses it. What is the purpose of someone being knocked to the floor and they are picked up and the whole procedure is repeated up to eight times. Was not the first time enough to receive an anointing. What is the purpose of this experience all about? Who is getting the attention at the time? We are not to be drawing attention to the vessel but the Lord who is working through the instrument. Is the first anointing that he places on people not enough? Or is it for show? He sometimes has people falling together like a violent pile-up on a freeway. People are lifted off the ground resembling a martial arts movie. Nothing glorifies God with this behavior. Martial arts, Chi power, the Gurus touch people ( as in the occult), and can certainly knock them over. These are similarities that cannot be overlooked. Can someone say touch or wave their arms or point their fingers and release the anointing having someone go down. When we see Tele-evangelists blow on people they go down yet when Christ breathed on the disciples they did not. When Jesus touched people they did not fall. God has not entrusted this type of power to any man today. The biblical model is whenever the Spirit fell they were not expecting him. The Spirit is called the comforter, the helper another one like Jesus. When Jesus left he said he would send us another like himself. His role was to replace the physical Jesus by indwelling all believers giving them a relationship with God. the question we need to ask is did Jesus act this erratic and have power displays? If not then why should the Spirit act this way when he is to point to Jesus. Is this the nature of Jesus or something other then him operating? How is it the person who dispenses this power that can knock people down, can stand through it all. That they can touch people even the catchers and they don’t go down during the service. How is the same person who just was felled over by his touch can afterward be hugged and not go over. Who then is in control if it only happens at the wave of his hand or when he says a special word ? Why does this only occur at the big crusades and where they meet for service and it does not take place during their days chores?
Charles Hodge one of the great theologians had this to say about this experience “..There is nothing in the Bible to lead us to regard these bodily affections as the legitimate effects of religious feelings, no such results followed the preaching of Christ or his apostles. We hear of no general outcries, faintings, convulsions, or ravings in the assemblies which they addressed…”It is evident that loud outcries and convulsions are inconsistent with these things, and therefore ought to be discouraged. They cannot be from God, for he is not the author of confusion” ( C. Hodge p.80 1851).
The fruit of the Spirit is self-control. The question those who are open to new experiences should ask themselves is… would God offer me an experience that has me sacrifice a characteristic of the Spirit? Would He cause me to act in a way opposite to His nature and what He himself is trying to conform me to? Ephesians 5:18-19 tells us “be filled with the Spirit, speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord.” This is an ongoing command, we are to be continually filled with the Spirit. But is this to be an experience all the time, does it show itself physically? No. Paul says to be filled with the Spirit, means self control and joy, singing. The opposite of the true Biblical filling of the Spirit is to be out of control, laid out on the ground. He is making a CONTRAST. The Bibles definition simply means for us to yield and be under his control, the opposite is to be out of control as a rag doll on the ground, drunk like and incapacitated. Paul says to be filled with the Spirit gives one self control. To be filled means we yield to the Lord and give Him control of our lives. He wants us active doing His work, not knocked out, numb or dumb. Being filled with the Spirit does not produce the same effects as alcoholic beverages, it is just the opposite. If it did the people who enjoy it would be coming to the church for their natural high fix. Many people say it is the joy of the Lord , but the joy of the Lord is our strength not weakness, it does not make one unable to rise off the ground.
Many incentives prepare someone for this supposed spiritual experience. First there is the anticipation of this happening; the autosuggestion of going down. They accept the experience because they are already predisposed to the idea that one falls when the Spirit comes upon them, and already accept this experience being from God. They are open mentally to this being from God. Therefore when someone touches them or points their way they comply. Another thing to consider is the peer pressure to conform to what is going on and expected in the gathering. When someone comes up in a big crowd they are expected to go down. They might be embarrassed not to fall down when everyone else is falling, or they may be considered unspiritual, and others might think something is wrong with them. Falling down at the right time becomes a learned methodology. Many people had admitted later they went down so they would not disappoint the speaker. Others may go down in hope that this might bring an experience they never had before. Still others say they were overcome by a power.
We need to consider a possibility that if true, can be unspeakably dangerous for the participants, that is, the operation of demonic powers. Many who have studied occult phenomena in false religions find that “slain in the Spirit” is not a new phenomenon. This power is found in Hinduism, the wife of Shiva the destroyer is kali known also as Shakti the force. When a devotee receives the touch from the Guru on the forehead they can be knocked to the ground, they can laugh, shake or experience being caught up in some ecstatic illumination experiencing Nirvana and light. There are many pagan religious practices, such as “shakti-pat” by Hindu gurus, which when observed looks exactly like being “slain in the Spirit.” The only difference is that their practices came first, preceding the modern Pentecostal practice. The cults also describe the Spirit as a force. Bruce R. McConkie, who was an apostle and authority of the Mormon Church wrote, “The Spirit of God which emanates from Deity may be likened to electricity” (Mormon Doctrine, pp. 752-53). Isn’t this what we are hearing from those experiencing these manifestations?
The only way to know the true from the false is to test it. Jesus had the greatest anointing, yet, when He prayed for people they did not fall over; neither did Jesus go down when He was anointed. The Spirit came upon him as a dove, as a gentle companion. This phenomena and practice is foreign to Scripture. Can the Holy Spirit be thrown around like a force? This Spirit goes where the conductor tells Him to go. Biblically we are to submit and take our guidance from the Spirit, this is the opposite. Jesus taught that the Holy Spirit goes where He will, He chooses how He will be known in the heart and life of a believer, and it is not for any man to decide when His abiding in another is to be. In John 3:8 we read, “The wind blows where it pleases, and you hear the sound thereof, but cannot not tell where it came, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.” No one knows where the Spirit comes from or where the Spirit goes. The Spirit is likened to the wind. Those who can dispense the anointing seems to tell the Spirit where to go and know where He will go next and what He or “it” will do. Think, my friend! Where do we find these experiences? Even the apostles did not have such experiences! What is operating? What is the source? Remember the Spirit is God himself who is supposedly thrown around the room. Whenever the presence came in the Old Testament all were affected but today the dispenser of this power stands strong while the participants all go down. Are they alone immune to its affects ?
The Bible commands us to test it. Mature Christians test the spirits; babies, weak and carnal Christians avoid testing, (Hebrews 5:13-14) because of naiveté or just insecurity and wanting to avoid know the truth. The result will be the same for all who do not guard their souls. They fall into destructive and non-Biblical practices that hurt their own Christian walk and testimonies. Much like the speaking in tongues as proof of the Spirits presence, this too has gone beyond the Bibles boundaries.
One of the earliest stories of this occurring in modern times outside the shamans is from a woman named Maria Woodsworth-Etter (1844-1924) She was a preacher in the holiness movement in the 1880’s. She gained a reputation by falsely prophesying that San Francisco would be destroyed by an earthquake in 1890. She describes her power from a vision ...Maria had a great vision. Angels came into her room. They took her to the West, over prairies, lakes, forests, and rivers where she saw a long, wide field of waving golden grain. As the view unfolded she began to preach and saw the grains begin to fall like sheaves. Then Jesus told her that, “just as the grain fell, so people would fall” as she preached. (Wayne E. Warner, “Neglect Not the Gift That Is in Thee,” Etter Sermon from The Woman Evangelist p. 10)
Alan Morrison of Diakrisis Publications in England discusses the phenomenon that made this woman famous. “In her preaching in the 1880’s, she advocated a religious experience she called the “power”, and she would often go into a trance during the services, standing with her hands raised in the air for more than an hour. Nicknamed the trance- evangelist and even the voodoo priestess, she was often accused of hypnotizing people. And here is where we come to the very crux of the “slain in the Spirit Phenomenon.” Morrison identifies this hidden power that Maria discovered which was non other than the ancient art of hypnotism that almost a century (1734-1815) before was practiced with the same results by Anton Mesmer. “As one researcher of the occult has noted, the phenomenon that are now defined as hypnotic emerged from the faith healing activities of Mesmer at the turn of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. (James Webb, the Occult Establishment Open Court 1976, p.352) “
Mesmer could actually be considered the father of slain in the Spirit except that he was plainly an occultist. Mesmer claimed to have discovered what he dubbed as animal magnetism. Having an interest in ESP and doing a doctoral study on astrology, He took a scientific approach on reaching spiritual contacts and trances through animal magnetism (universal fluid). “ What he discovered was an activation of strange powers in man that would help him gain insights into cosmic truths hidden from most of humanity by a veil of ignorance.”
He had written in his doctoral dissertation and repeated in a series of writings, the hoary fallacies could be shown to have essential truth within in them when interpreted scientifically-Astrology, alchemy, Oneiromancy (divination by dreams), divination. He then explained it through animal magnetism. Others who were also influenced by Mesmer were Samuel Hanneman founder of Homeopathy (New age medicine). Phineas B.Quimby who was also a mesmerist, he first attributed the power to Spirits for the use of this unknown energy but later said it was the mind. He healed Mary baker Eddy through this power who then became the founder of Christian Science a mind science Cult.
Helena Blavatsky the mediumistic founder of theosophy read Mesmer’s works which gave her a working foundation in mysticism. The evolution of this method went from calling it occult power to hypnosis. When looked at carefully there the differences are hardly noticeable. John Weldon in his book Psychic Forces and occult Shock records on pg.255 “In fact , no occult phenomenon found in Mesmerism is lacking in hypnosis.”…It appears that, in essence modern hypnotism is mesmerism. Martin Ebon, fairly well respected as an occult authority, even connects the two: “The Mesmeric, or hypnotic, trance bears a close resemblance to the mediumistic trance.” Mesmers activity could hardly be distinguished from what is transpiring in some of the charismatic wing of the Church today. “Mesmer marched about majestically in a pale lilac robe, passing his hands over patients bodies or touching them with a long iron wand. The results varied . some patients felt nothing at all, some felt as if insects were crawling over them, others were seized with hysterical laughter, convulsions or fits of hiccups. Some went into raving delirium, which was called “the crises” and was considered extremely healthful” (R. Cavendish, the magical arts RKP 1984 pg.180). What was described is people feeling good, uplifted, felt a release and had a sense of well being from the experience. Mesmer could actually be considered the father of modern “slain in the Spirit” experience, except that he was plainly an occultist. Imagine, the same conduct and results coming from non- Christians! Hmm.
Dr.Fritjof Capra a physics professor at Berkeley university and new age adherent says “Shamans used therapeutic techniques such as groups sharing psychodrama, dream analysis, suggestion, hypnosis, guided imagery {visualization} and psychotheraphy for centuries before they were rediscovered by modern psychologists. (The Turning Point p.337 1982)
By pursuing a blessing they have abandoned truth in place of a supernatural experience. This not a Biblical experience but can be a supernatural one. In so doing they have inadvertently become open to deception by accepting this without any testing. Mr. Hinn has been called a spirit fanatic by some, this is not something new . Martin Luther who began the reformation said that there were a certain group of preachers of his day who confuse their own spirit with the Holy Spirit “they think they have swallowed the Holy Ghost feathers and all.” John Calvin warned “the fanaticism which discards the scripture, under the pretense of resorting to immediate revelations is subversive of every principle in Christianity. For when they boast extravagantly of the Spirit the tendency is always to bury the word of God so they can make room for their own falsehood.”
People have succumb to the oldest charade, in their pursuit of a blessing they have abandoned truth in place of a supernatural experience without ever testing the source for Biblical proof. Does the Bible show people line up in a church service in a row and have the power dispersed from an anointed person. There are no conduits for his power, Jesus has and always will be the baptizer of the Holy Spirit we don’t need any other mediator. Jesus is our example. When Jesus was anointed, the Spirit came upon him as a dove, not as a wild animal like a rhinoceros.
Those who participate in this practice need to consider what they are really attributing to the Holy Spirit. There is no Biblical precedent for this and need to consider the source of the activity. We are not excluding that God cannot overwhelm someone with his presence, what needs to be questioned is when it becomes a normal practice in the church that represents the Spirits work.
Mr. Hinn has been called a spirit fanatic by some, this is not something new. Martin Luther who began the reformation said that there were a certain group of preachers of his day who confuse their own spirit with the Holy Spirit “they think they have swallowed the Holy Ghost feathers and all.” John Calvin warned “the fanaticism which discards the scripture, under the pretense of resorting to immediate revelations is subversive of every principle in Christianity. For when they boast extravagantly of the Spirit the tendency is always to bury the word of God so they can make room for their own falsehood.”
Truly the ancient words of the prophet Hosea ring true for us today, as it did then, “MY PEOPLE ARE DESTROYED FOR A LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE REJECTED KNOWLEDGE” (Hosea 4:6)
When experience replaces Biblical knowledge, we have abandoned God’s standard. Knowledge can be painful when it corrects us, but it can cost much more to follow falsehood, which by its nature is easy to swallow and soothing to those who refuse the truth.
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Heres my thoughts of being slain in the spirit. I dont want anything to do with it. Why would I want to be out of control of my facilities, in some type of altered conscious state, when the bible says to be IN CONTROL of my facilities , and to be SOBER MINDED . Why would I want my brain detached from my voluntary muscles ? I dont get it and Im sure the Holy Spirit doesnt want this either !
The most apparent character of someone being filled with the Holy Spirit is SELF CONTROL..... not the lack of self control !!
There is no example found in scripture where anyone can put the Holy Spirit on someone else. ONLY JESUS said he would send the Comforter to mankind after he left. Jesus never gave a hint that anyone would control the Holy Spirit. Who does this slaying of the Spirit glorify ? The one that puts this " trance " on someone such as Rodney Howard Browne. Experience does not override obediance to Gods Word. Test the spirits to see if they are from God. With what ? With the Word of God ! Not by an experience on a church stage or out in the audience.
The Holy Spirit would not hurt a Christian believer, so WHY are there " Catchers " catching these people as they fall backwards? Does the Holy Spirit NEED a human to " anoint " them ?
IF I want to get closer to God, I pray and read the bible. Laughing uncontrollably and falling " out " does not edify the experiencer or those watching it. It simply and absolutely does nothing for anyone.
It is extremely important to note that the only people who showed states of convulsions like the ones in Rodney Howard Brownes services are the ones who were demon posessed in the bible and they are many examples !
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2 Cor 11:12-15 But what I am doing I will also continue to do, so that I may eliminate the opportunity from those who want an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the matter about which they are boasting.
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
This sounds just like Rodney Howard Browne---- wanting to be an apostle.
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And speaking of Apostle. Is RHB an Apostle ? NO ! The apostolic office as been closed ever since the bible was completed. I will dig into " WHEN THE PERFECT COMES - 1 Cor 13:8-9 " that many refer to as Jesus and claim that only after Jesus comes will those supernatural apostolic gifts cease. But first can Rodney Howard Browne control the Holy Spirit as he " appears " to do on stage ? Definitely NOT !!! Scripture supports this !
The phrase “the Holy Spirit goes where it wills” is a reference to John 3:8 in the Bible, which says, “The Spirit breatheth where he will; and thou hearest his voice, but thou knowest not whence he cometh, and whither he goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit”. The verse compares the Holy Spirit to the wind, which blows wherever it wants, and you can hear it but don't know where it's coming from or going. The Greek word for "Spirit" in this verse is the same as the Greek word for "wind". The verse is interpreted to mean that the Holy Spirit is free and sovereign, and no one can control its movements. The Holy Spirit manifests itself in different ways, and no one can predict when it will invade a human heart. But Rodney Howard Brown thinks he can control the Holy Spirit and his followers are right behind him !
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More on being slain in the Spirit. OR " Being slain in vain ".
Scripture can denounce and disprove this practice with ONLY ONE verse but many who are caught up in these displays of uncontrollable acts of ones own facilities, refuse to give obedience to scripture. 1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Being SOBER means to have your mind clear of unaffecting outside influences that keep your mind from being 100% aware. Vigilant means watchful, on the lookout, observant, sharp-eyed, keen-eyed and again 100% aware of what is going on around you. When you are " slain " in the sprit you FAIL to be sober and vigilant. The Holy Spirit to which " authored" scripture would not put someone in a lesser state of awareness such as you see with those being slain in the spirit. This one verse supercedes the experience people that follow Rodney Howard Brown , Benny Hinn and others practice.
What Charismatic’s enthusiasts say is when the Spirit comes upon you it will overcome you with power, slaying you. Today this has become the common denominator of the Spirits presence with power and is sought after as proof of receiving the anointing. With such people as Robert Howard Brown, Benny Hinn, Rod Parsley, Richard Roberts and a host of others who have developed it to be a trademark of their meetings. This is not to discount that the Holy Spirit can do unusual things, however before we put a stamp of approval on a practice to be a normality instead of the unusual, we need to see if it is promoted as such in the Scriptures.
What do we find? We do not see any of this practiced or even hinted in the Scripture. When the Spirit came upon Jesus at His baptism He came up out of the water; He didn’t collapse and sink down! The Lord Jesus had power to heal even the worst cases of disease, blindness and crippled limbs, and yet no one who Jesus ever touched fell over “slain.” Nor do we find Peter or John touching people and causing them to fall over. They did not ask other disciples to stand behind those they were going to lay hands on, to catch them as they toppled backward by the power. The New Testament has no people lining up waiting for the “anointing” to be passed on from another, not even the Apostles. Can you picture any of the Apostles running up to people and slapping them on the forehead, or lining people up to be slain? No soft music or repetitive choruses were sung to set an atmosphere for the anointing to fall. No one yelled repetitive phrases like, “Fire!” or “touch” or “More, Lord!” So where does this all come from ?
Those who advocate this practice need to consider what they are really attributing to the Holy Spirit. There is no Biblical precedent for being “slain in the Spirit” as we see practiced today.
Jesus is the baptizer, who anoints with the Holy Spirit. The power really comes only from Christ, just what are people receiving through this experience? Do these displays of power become the convincing proof of God’s presence? John 10:41-42 records, “Then many came to Him and said, ‘John performed no sign, but all the things that John spoke about this Man were true.’ And many believed in Him there.” John convinced the people without a display of miracles. It was the truth that converted them and made them into followers. It is by knowing the truth (the Word) that keeps people following faithfully, not displays of power. We don’t need to be slain “in the Spirit”, but cut “by the Spirit,” the Word (John 6:63; Hebrews 4:12). One way is by expositional preaching the other is offered by experience. One comes by the Word that is objective, that teaches and convicts through the Holy Spirit, the other is subjective, by a person touching you or imparting a power. The Word is Biblical, the other is not.
The Old Testament has many examples of saints who fell to the ground. In Genesis 15:12-18 when Abraham was put to sleep horror and great darkness fell upon him, but it was not pleasant. This was a special event signifying God’s covenant with Abraham as God told about his offspring’s future. This act was not repeated for any of his descendents. Notice the passage indicates that the experience was not enjoyable. Genesis 17:3 Abraham falls on his face, but this does not describe an involuntary act of being slain in the Spirit as some claim. Abraham fell face forward toward the ground on his own accord, in reverence, in an act of fully conscious worship.
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Now for some simple scripture that REBUKES being slain in the Spirit....
1--- 1 Peter 4:7 The end of all things is at hand; therefore be self-controlled and sober-minded for the sake of your prayers.
2--- 1 Peter 5:8-9 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour",
3--- 1 Corinthians 16:13 Be watchful and alert, stand in the faith alone, be brave, and master yourselves. Then you will have nothing to fear"
4--- 1 Peter 1:13 Therefore, preparing your minds for action, and being sober-minded, set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
5--- 1 Thessalonians 5:2-9.................... We are not of the night or of the darkness. So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober. ...
6--- Mark 13:33-37 Be on guard, keep awake. For you do not know when the time will come.....................
7--- 1 Corinthians 16:13 Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
8--- Luke 12:35-48 “Stay dressed for action and keep your lamps burning, and be like men who are waiting for their master to come home from the wedding feast, so that they may open the door to him .......................
9--- 2 Timothy 1:7 "For God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control
10--- Matthew 24:44 Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. ( you cant be ready while laying on your back or out of control of your body )
11---- Let everything be done decent and in order. 1 Cor 14:40. Church at Corinth wrote Paul and Paul ( really Holy Spirit ) replied that the church service must be done in peace , order and decently. BENNY HINN AND RODNEY have chaotic freak shows galore !
Think about the Facebook page name " Move of God ". The name is designed to bring attention to the power of God , and when one does that, attention is taken away from the God of Power.
12. Isaiah 128: 13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. NOTICE - FALL BACKWARD.
13. Acts 1:8 says, "But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth". The Greek word for "power" in this verse is dunamis, which means "miraculous power". The verse is interpreted to mean that the Holy Spirit empowers people to be witnesses for God and to spread the gospel. The Holy Spirit gives the believer power to do the Will of God. NOWHERE in the bible is it taught that the Holy Spirit leaves the believer to lie on his or her back and become POWERLESS !
14. 1 Corinthians 14:26, .. Let all things be done unto edifying.
This essentially means that every action and activity within the church should be aimed at building up and strengthening the community of believers, with the goal of spiritual growth for all members.
15. 2 Timothy 1:7 For God hasn't given us the spirit of fear, but of love, power and a SOUND mind. / A rational and sound mind , not what is displayed with being slain in the spirit
Whats it going to take..... For Rodney Browne to have his catchers bring up on stage someone suffering a grand mal seizure ( while the crowd cheers him on ) to have these displays of incoherant ( muttering ) and violent uncontrollable shaking to stop ? Does someone have to die on stage or out in the crowd ( being slain in the spirit ) to put a stop to this ?
Im going to end this short study and direct this ending to my Christian friends who tell us to read acts two because it shows the Apostles being drunk in the spirit. A gross negligence of interpretation. The people at Corinth thought the apostles to be drunk BECAUSE OF THEM SPEAKING IN TONGUES. Not because they were flapping around on the ground like a fish out of water or because of them falling backwards. Stop directing others to Acts 2, it doesnt support your narrative.
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Is being drunk in the spirit biblical ? https://www.gotquestions.org/drunk-in-the-Spirit.html
Rodney Howard Browns Facebook page " Move of God "--- https://www.facebook.com/moveofgodofficial
Is there any record of a person having a blanket thrown over them like they do in todays Charismatic churches ( slain in the spirit ) ?
When the accusers and guards who apprehended Jesus just before his crucifixion , which ones fell backwards ? A. The bad guys / soldiers , accusers ? B. The Apostles ? Waiting for your answer.
Why does Rodney pull this young man off the ground ( while hes slain in the spirit ) to COMMUNICATE with him, while others are laid on the ground and are not communicated with ? Warning , this may be unsettleing to watch.... https://www.facebook.com/moveofgodofficial/videos/9090922994253854
Did you know that multiple churches have been sued when people where HURT being slain in the spirit ? Dont take my word for it, search the internet for yourself.
In the book of John, Jesus is talking about what the Holy Spirit will do ( John 16:7 ). In verse 14 Jesus says " He ( the Holy Spirit )" will glorify him ( Jesus ). The Holy Spirit does not glorify these false teachers who bring attention to themselves claiming to have the power to direct the Holy Spirit. And these people who are uncontrollably crying , laughing and ( speaking in false tongues ) are bringing attention to themselves and not to God.
Slain in the Spirit | Costi Hinn https://youtu.be/9hx--tS7JAQ
This videos is great in explaining the Holy Spirit. NOTHING what Rodney Howard Brown teaches.. The Holy Spirit: God of Chaos and Confusion or Reverence and Order? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ea5ztiOae0
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Below a verse Charismatics point to but out of context....
In 2 Chronicles 5, describes God’s glory filling the newly completed Temple. It says, “The priests could not continue ministering ... for the glory of the Lord filled the house of God” (v.14). This cannot be made into a normative occurrence for today’s Church, as many have tried to do. This was a celebration because the temple was completed, the ark was brought in and Solomon had the priests assemble inside the most holy place. Inside the glory manifested physically as cloud in a contained place, the rest of Israel was still standing outside. In 2 Chronicles 7:2 and I Kings 8:11 the priests could not enter the temple or perform the priestly duties of the LORD because the temple was filled with the glory of the LORD.
People have succumb to the oldest charade, in their pursuit of a blessing they have abandoned truth in place of a supernatural experience without ever testing the source for Biblical proof. Does the Bible show people line up in a church service in a row and have the power dispersed from an anointed person. There are no conduits for his power, Jesus has and always will be the baptizer of the Holy Spirit we don’t need any other mediator. Jesus is our example. When Jesus was anointed, the Spirit came upon him as a dove, not as a wild animal like a rhinoceros.
Where does being slain in the spirit come from? The Bible, presumably. The favored verse and the one uniformly lifted standard-like by the charismatic community is 2 Chronicles 5:13-14:
[A]s the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of musick, and praised the LORD, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD; So that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of God. We should continue to read down through chapters six and seven of 2 Chronicles, which is a continuation of this narrative.Solomon addresses the multitudes present, prays to God, and way over in 2 Chronicles 7:1-2, we find a startling revelation:Now when Solomon had made an end of praying, the fire came down from heaven, and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices; and the glory of the LORD filled the house. And the priests could not enter into the house of the LORD, because the glory of the LORD had filled the LORD’s house.The priests were not able to minister in the house of God in the first place because they were not in the house of God at the time. hey had come back out and stood with the large gathering of people after setting up the Ark of the Covenant in the holy place. While charismatic teaching would have us believe that the temple was littered with the bodies of incapacitated priests, the Old Testament simply tells us they could not even enter into the area where God had manifested His glory! A quick reading of 1 Kings 8:10-11 will reveal the same thing. The priests simply were not in the holy place when it was filled with the glory of God.
The paragraph and above came from this link and has MUCH reading on Rodney Howard Brown !! https://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/slain-in-the-spirit-is-it-a-biblical-practice/
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I created a short video showing that Robert Howard Browne cant even understand the rules of speaking in tongues. About ALL tongue speakers support being slain in the spirit. These two failures of biblical interpetation go hand in hand ------ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y2IsjVVtOI&t=3s
. These so called displays are prevelant in many cults and " spiritual groups - https://makeitconscious.com/cults-and-the-unconscious/
The Kundalini Spirit in the Prosperity False Gospel Movement displays exact slayings as Rodney Howard Brownes shows do.... https://youtu.be/gA9lQCnmZ2A
Wake up faith healers !! https://www.facebook.com/reel/1073360404179941
Most of my article has been provided by http://www.letusreason.org/
Slain in the Spirit... http://www.letusreason.org/pent14%20.htm
Truth on tongues.... https://www.facebook.com/reel/952501040038830
Middle Eastern religion does the same thing Slain in the Spirit pastors do..... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/O9lMZyhuaW8
https://youtu.be/HmSIHF7KT58
Kenneth Copeland WHEELCHAIR DISASTER !! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwoBUl_Jbts&t=695s&pp=ygUVS2VubmV0aCBIYWdpbiBleHBvc2Vk
Learn MORE about when miracles ceased.... Why did the Apostle Paul leave Trophimus sick, while Epaphroditus was also sick to the point of death in Philippians 2:27? https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/37616/why-did-the-apostle-paul-leave-trophimus-sick-while-epaphroditus-was-also-sick
Imagine an unsaved person who knows nothing about church or the gospel walking into a circus event such as with Kenneth Haigan, Rodney Howard Brown, Benny Hinn etc has going on. Why would that person ever want to return to such a display ? To tell the truth I could imagine someone who doesnt know better being scared out of their wits at such a show.
Heres an example of how wrong the Word of Faith followers can be and yes, I feel for them. One female sent me what she thought was a bible verse supporting being laid out in the spirit...... psalms 23:2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. / end Bless her heart being under ( and trusting ) a preacher teaching this stuff.
Isaiah 53:5 By his ( Jesus ) stripes we are healed. NO PHYSICAL healing... Spiritual healing - https://www.facebook.com/reel/384088211301832
Pentecostalism and the Prosperity Gospel.... https://www.facebook.com/reel/883799837136789
Thank you for reading. This work is dedicated to a non biblical teacher of this nonsense, Rodney Howard Browne - https://youtu.be/iwtIVxcRKWw
Holy Spirit or demonic spirit , how to tell the difference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX0GBA-HSOY&t=103s&pp=ygUTc2xhaW4gaW4gdGhlIHNwaXJpdA%3D%3D
Mythbuster- Slain in the Spirit - https://www.forthegospel.org/read/mythbusters-slain-in-the-spirit
This is as bad as I have seen Rodney Howard Brown be in twisting scripture. He says the Fruit of the Spirit is SELF CONTROL. " Yes, I agree ".... BUT THEN the heretical pastor says but NOT self-control over the Holy Spirit!! This man will burn in hell for twisting scripture so to put on his stage antics ! O and take notice of this. Rodney Howard Brown speaks in so called " tongues " often . So why does he need an interpreter here???? -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMUs8XzTL3Y
Worst cases from Rodney Howard Browne - https://youtu.be/N-BJU4khubo
I watched most of this and it was very disturbing to say the least. 2 Jewish females thrown out of church by Rodney Howard Brown... https://youtu.be/UyEnaKdQbao
The apostolic office is PERMANENTLY closed ! No more apostles, no such thing as the apostolic reformation - https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1Dt3vE8Heg/
No more prophets today. Many Charismatics claim to be prophets today. No more revelation from God ( God said do NOT add to HIS Word ). https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=3706351242944647&rdid=RnxBgKaJtYzMT0UQ
Rodney Howard Browne ignores 1 Corinthians 14:40 Let all things be done decently and in order. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZDl0mPvVZo
Slain in the Spirit | Costi Hinn https://youtu.be/9hx--tS7JAQ
One of the most outrageous shameful displays of a church service ( by Rodney Howard Brown ) I have ever seen ! And obviously not speaking in biblical tongues here ( the worst case of faking tongues as well ). ... https://youtu.be/Q8jcGXRJu5Y
Rodney Howard Brown having children caught up in the slain in the spirit heresy... https://www.gty.org/library/Print/Blog/B130610
Former Charismatic Preacher Debunks Being Slain in the Spirit- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNyCjKVvKw4
Complete and utter chaos !!! But the bible says to let everything be done decently and in order 1 Corinthians 14:40 ...... https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TGV0LOOM77s
This pastor said it perfectly. When you believe the Holy Ghost can be turned on and turned off at the hands of man you have got a demon in you !!! https://www.facebook.com/reel/589565053438770
Kundalini Spirit Explained by Ex-Kundalini Practitioner-- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lE5JSe9sVM
Kundalini in the Church Masquerading as the Holy Spirit--- ( viewer discretion advised ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfPbbScovjs
Rodney Howard Brown , Kenneth Copeland and other Charismatics IGNORE this rule often when speaking in tongues... https://www.facebook.com/reel/552831993919269
Adding a link on King David and his dancing because someone used him dancing in his " underwear " as support for being slain in the spirit. YES, they are people out there who are going in strange places to support for being slain in the spirit.... https://www.gotquestions.org/did-David-dance-naked.html
Jesus gave the promise of the Holy Spirit to every believer. Some think that the Holy Spirit comes to a believer if they go to Rodney Howard Brown's ( and other heretics ) and end up falling backwards, crawling on the floor or laughing or crying uncontrollably. Biblical scripture about what the Holy Spirit does in a believer.... https://www.openbible.info/topics/jesus_sending_the_holy_spirit
A short study for my Charismatic Apostolic Pentecostal Holiness friends here how just LOVE LOVE LOVE referring to Acts 2 with claiming the Apostles were " acting " drunk. First of all I have asked many of you here what is revealed in scripture that would remotely give you the impression that the Apostles were acting drunk other than speaking in tongues other than their own native language. NO ONE , NOTTA, nobody , not a single soul here can come up with ANYTHING. Now why are you attempting to add something in the bible that is not there ? BECAUSE you have to to support your fantasy of people falling backwards with the annoiting of the Holy Spirit. Why do you want to support this fantasy ? PRIDE, one of the things God hates. But lets dig dipper with what the Apostles on that wonderful day were talking about. Hopefull this will stick with you. In the Bible, the phrase "wonderful works of God" in Acts 2:11 refers to the many acts of God, particularly those related to Jesus Christ. These include: The incarnation of Jesus, His virgin birth, His life, His death, His resurrection, His ascension,The outpouring of his Spirit, The fulfillment of his promises, The glorious dispensations of Gospel grace,The phrase "wonders of God" is central to apostolic preaching, as it points to the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies and the inauguration of the new covenant through Christ. In Acts 2, the Holy Spirit comes upon the followers of Jesus in Jerusalem, equipping them to teach the gospel in different languages. This is described in Acts 2:1–13. Now for another question. Lets just assume ( like you Charismatics do) that the Apostles were acting drunk, falling down, crawling on all fours, uncontrollably laughing, crying, howling at the moon and all other acts of being out of control. Heres my question for you. Who in their right mind would give a second of their time and consideration to anyone who was acting like the ones you see in Benny Hinn's , Rodney Howard Brown and other false teaching heretic services ? Certainly not me. But you want to support this nonsense? God says in Hosea 4:6: "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge,....... It's a warning to not ignore God's truth and to follow him despite other messages in the world. 2 John 2:11 "For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds" In this verse, the apostle John is warning believers against supporting false teachers or contributing to their success. The phrase "bid him God speed" is an expression of goodwill that conveys a wish for success. In the early church, false teachings were a serious threat to the purity of the Gospel and the unity of the church. John's warning is a call to vigilance, urging believers to not associate with those who distort the truth.
I put this short clip together PROVING a person is faking falling down against their will because this ....well just take a look. https://youtu.be/EN_UpPUo0lk Now do you believe that people are faking it ? WAIT ! I showed this video to a Charismatic friend asking for her opinion. Yes indeed she had one. She came back with a term she said is used, its called a " courtesy drop " !!!! Lord help her for believing such nonsense. NOWHERE between the front and back covers of any bible is this mentioned, however charismatics MUST have an answer or their doctrine will be left exposed and forced to conclude they have been taught to believe false doctrine.
Question for everyone. How or why does the Holy Spirit visit these people under the ( supposedly ) direction of Rodney Howard Brown, when the Holy Spirit already indwells all believers ? John 14:16 "And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—the Spirit of truth. verse 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. And how can Rodney control the Holy Spirit if Jesus said in John 3:8 "The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit".
Something smells fishy with Rodney Howard Brown
Rodney Howard Browne - False Teacher? Rare footage! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYe8qhiehzQ
Rodney Howard Browne Exposes Children to the Demonic- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3WNoo50slg&t=909s
More insane stuff. Rodney TEACHS his " method " to slay.. Teaching & Demonstrating the Anointing - Rodney Howard-Browne- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKzdNnMxgIs
Got a chalenge for everyone here !! This is going to be REAL FUN !!
Everbody here knows that Rodney Howard Brown ( lets just call him Rod the god ) from now on cant we ? I mean he must be God if he can turn on of off the Holy Spirit at will. ( John 3:8). He loves to speak in what he and most of yall think are biblical tongues. Heck , I have seem him sing in "tongues" fairly often. * never read that in the bible *
Heres my challenge to all the Rod the God supporters here. Direct me to a link ( web address ) where I and the rest of us can watch Rod the God speak in tongues ACCORDING to biblical rules for tongues.
1 Speak in a language that is not native to Rod the Gods language. ( uninterpreted GIBBERISH does not apply ) Acts 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
2, The listener whom the message is given to MUST understand it. Acts 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
3. Praying OUT LOUD in GIBBERISH does not apply BECAUSE 1 Corinthians 14:28, the instruction is that if no one can understand tongues, then one should "keep silent in the church" and speak to themselves and God privately; essentially, meaning if there is no interpreter present, do not speak in tongues in a congregational setting.
4. Rod the God speaking in English to the masses while using a translator does not apply. ANYONE can speak in their own language to others using a translator.
Thats seems like a pretty simple and fair challenge doesnt it ? Heres a video I made so you can see exactly what Im asking for. So show me a video of Rodney speaking in biblical tongues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBL1uLNCZ10&t=2s
Heres what really happens when one is anointed with the Holy Spirit, and its NOTHING that Rodney Howard Brown mentions.... https://www.facebook.com/reel/595680099807120
A youtube video called Can we be drunk in the Holy Spirit. An alarming expose on Rodney Howard Brown !! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6A8eaNsRCc
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Everyone who believes receives the annointing of the Holy Ghost upon believing.. I've read truckloads of comments coming from believers says things such as " I want some of that " etc etc. The bible says there is no separate annointing of the Holy Spirit and a believer. Id like to share why I belive that believing and recieving the Holy Spirit happens simultaneously- When Jesus gave the Holy Ghost to the world just before his ascenion, it was a very special time and not to be misconstrued for the norm today. In John 14:16-18, Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit to be with his disciples forever. There was a time in the near future after Jesus would be glorified that ( again ) all believers would recieve the Holy Ghost. John 7:37-39. All believers have the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a seal that marks believers as children of God.
Romans 8:9 "You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you"
1 Corinthians 3:16 "Don't you know that you are God's sanctuary and that the Spirit of God lives in you?"
Acts 2 The Holy Spirit began permanently indwelling believers on the day of Pentecost
2 Corinthians 1:22 When believers accept Christ, God seals them with His Spirit
1 Corinthians 12:13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body — Jews or Greeks, slaves or free — and all were made to drink of one Spirit.
Romans 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
We receive the Holy Spirit by simply receiving the Lord Jesus Christ as our Savior (John 3:5-16). When do we receive the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit takes up permanent residence in us the moment we believe. In Rodney Howard Browns and ( others ) services beleivers get so called " anointed" by the Holy Spirit over and over and over and over again. So not biblical. For more reading on this please go to.... https://pbase.com/kippercat/image/174615328
Former Charismatic Preacher Debunks Being Slain in the Spirit --- https://youtu.be/aNyCjKVvKw4
Strange Fire Conference - Rodney Howard Brown and Fire--- https://youtu.be/WOgF7AJ7k9U
If you realy want to see why the bible says let all things be done decently and in order , your not going to find it at this Rodney Howard Brown circus show.. https://youtu.be/Q8jcGXRJu5Y
What makes for a Spirit-filled service? A great sermon? The “right” kind of music? No, a Spirit-filled service happens when the Spirit comes in with you. A truly Spirit-filled service can only happen when the people of God come prepared to share what the Spirit has put on their hearts.
Are people “filled with the Holy Spirit” once or multiple times? https://goodquestionblog.com/2014/08/14/are-people-filled-with-the-holy-spirit-once-or-multiple-times/
Are People Really Slain in The Spirit?- https://youtu.be/u1hSllFiZAU
A sincere question for all my Move of God friends here. Why do you believe that you need Rodney Howard Brown OR ANY PERSON to encounter the Holy Ghost when scripture says the Holy Ghost is already in the believer ? Please share supporting scripture with your reply - When Jesus gave the Holy Ghost to the world just before his ascenion was a very special time and not to be misconstrued for the norm today. In John 14:16-18, Jesus promised to send the Holy Spirit to be with his disciples forever. There was a time in the near future after Jesus would be glorified that ( again ) all believers would recieve the Holy Ghost. John 7:37-39. All believers have the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is a seal that marks believers as children of God. Ephesians 4:30, "And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.".
Romans 8:9 "You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you"
1 Corinthians 3:16 "Don't you know that you are God's sanctuary and that the Spirit of God lives in you?"
Acts 2 The Holy Spirit began permanently indwelling believers on the day of Pentecost
2 Corinthians 1:22 When believers accept Christ, God seals them with His Spirit
1 Corinthians 12:13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body — Jews or Greeks, slaves or free — and all were made to drink of one Spirit..
Ephesians 1:13-14 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
We receive the Holy Spirit by simply receiving the Lord Jesus Christ as our Savior (John 3:5-16). When do we receive the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit takes up permanent residence in us the moment we believe.
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Interesting !!! Have you seen anyone lately doing the same thing ?? According to Acts 8:9-24, Philip baptized Simon the Sorcerer, who then wanted
to "buy" the power of the Holy Spirit from the apostles Peter and John essentially attempting to use the Holy Spirit's power as a tool for his own personal gain, treating it like a magic trick he could perform on demand.
To sum it all up. it’s not that those who are trying to fake an experience but rather that they are, in their known traditional way, responding with respect to what the believe is the presence of God because thats what they are told.
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Thanks for reading !! I have a 20 dollar challenge to anyone that can show scriptural support for the apostles " acting drunk " in the bible. Anywhere.
My Pentecostal friends such as Mark Green claim the Apostles were acting drunk. I've seen this claim many times. I offer 20 dollars to see such scriptural support but never ONCE has anyone been able to share such scripture. One used Ephesians 5:18 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit, BUT INSTEAD REPLACED THE WORD " FILLED " WITH THE WORD " DRUNK " !!! The $20 dollar challenge - https://pbase.com/image/175395688
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