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Jane Cumming

In The News - Troubling Times

I took this photo several years ago.
My family and I walked through this park with Helen, Tim and Sahraa.
It’s a lovely spot and the statue is beautifully made.
I never posted it because I just could not come up with a title for it.
I found it very disturbing that a slave was kneeling before Lincoln.
It seemed demeaning.
After seeing Helen’s posts the other day about this statue I did some reading.
As she stated the statue was paid for by freed slaves.
However it’s design was overseen by an all white committee.
The statue depicts nothing of how the slaves had a role in procuring their freedom.
The model for the kneeling figure was Archer Alexander.
He had been a former slave who escaped on his own.
He even helped the Union Troops.
I can certainly understand why African Americans would not like this statue.
A local resident made a statement that I thought was very telling.
He said,
“A person that cares about freeing slaves doesn’t have them down at their feet.
I personally think the best place for the statue is in a museum.
We need to learn from our past.
The only trouble is, it seems we never do.

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Tom LeRoy28-Jun-2020 11:25
Thanks for the thought provoking image. Great shot and very interesting discussions. I totally agree with you, Jane. The statue should be removed and placed in a historical museum to educate about the past and the present. V
John28-Jun-2020 04:35
It’s a new dawn and as far as I’m concerned that’s a good thing. It’s about time.
Nirvan Hope28-Jun-2020 02:07
So good for people to be thinking with awareness - plenty of opportunities for that at the moment!
Raymond Ma28-Jun-2020 01:54
I agree. A mutual embrace would be more appropriate. V
Nick Paoni28-Jun-2020 01:20
Although I can certainly see and appreciate the perspectives represented here, I guess I have a different view. First: before Helen's and Jane's posts I had never seen or heard of the statue and I like Jane's close in shot that gives me a good view of the work. Now let me tell you what immediately came to mind when I saw this and my interpretation of the art. The key for me is the position of Lincoln's hand, placed as if to invite the slave to raise up with his bonds broken. In his other is his Emancipation Proclamation. By depicting the scene this way I believe the artist is celebrating how Lincoln took the slaves from their former position and invites them to equality. I can see how folks that today are offended by the work are viewing it from where the African Americans are now rather than from a perspective of where they were before Lincoln. I guess I appreciate more the historical impact of the emancipation moment and celebrate it with this art. If the two men were shaking hands as has been suggested here, the historical significance of the place from where the slave started would be lost.
bill friedlander28-Jun-2020 00:57
Nice crisp shot of the statue. I totally agree with your thoughts. V
Don Mottershead28-Jun-2020 00:44
Thanks for the information. Not that it is any of my (Canadian) business, but the statue does seem problematic even if the original intentions were positive. Harriet Beecher Stowe's objectives were laudable, but Uncle Tom is a character that causes offense.
Dennis Hoyne27-Jun-2020 20:06
A fine shot of this statue, I just don't think we should erase history. Like the Taliban in Afghanistan and the giant Buddha statues.Rather we should learn from it and talk about it. Granted that statue should have the freed slave standing, maybe a modification is in order.
Nestor Derkach27-Jun-2020 15:40
Many comments about the statue maybe putting them (all) in a museum that has history attached to it is not a bad idea .
But I do not think Lincoln after going to war and many lives lost that he would want to be remembered this way.
There is a right way to get statues removed .
Very nice posting for viewpoints.
Julie Oldfield27-Jun-2020 15:36
This does look demeaning and the freed slave is portrayed in a submissive child like way. I think it belongs in a museum. V
danad27-Jun-2020 15:02
All peoples, all nations have their moments of glory and darker moments. It is often easy to judge the past in the light of the present. To destroy is to level with the religious fanatics who slaughter the statues of the ancient gods and the ancient temples while it is part of the heritage of humanity.
We can’t forget our history, that of our ancestors. If the whole society considers it necessary, why not build a new statue next to the old one; a new statue that reflects the new thought, so that both serve to educate people.
Superb framing and composition. V.
Walter Otto Koenig27-Jun-2020 13:44
They should stand as equals shaking hands.
Gill Kopy27-Jun-2020 05:04
Troubling times for sure !
On a lighter note - this came up at a recent photography club meeting - who would have thought swopping bodies happened back then :) https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/abraham-lincoln-photos-edited
Helen Betts27-Jun-2020 04:57
A fine capture of this now-controversial monument. V. At tonight's rally, the young activists were insisting the statue come down; they said they didn't want to hear from any "old" folks. Some of the older Black people in the crowd spoke up, anyway, and said they wanted the statue to stay. The majority of people in the crowd were people from the neighborhood, many of whom said how much they disapproved of the statue. I have to wonder if it bothered them so much before, why they didn't start a movement to have it removed. In any case, its fate remains to be seen.
David Buzzeo27-Jun-2020 04:37
There is a lesson here for all of us so called photographers. For a portrait to be a true collaboration between the sitter and the photographer, the photographer must respect the sitters perspective by letting them tell their story their way. If not, we end up offending the sitter as this statute does.

Examples of how to be respectful are the photographs of Milton Rogovin.

Good discussion around a sensitive subject. Let's hope we can make progress out if it. V
joseantonio27-Jun-2020 03:30
great capture of the statue and nice information about it..V
Tom Beech27-Jun-2020 01:16
Fully and absolutely agree Jane.. some things have been so wrong for so long now.. this seems like start of progress in the right direction finally
Pierre Martin27-Jun-2020 01:16
just hope that we will learn from the past then the world will be better!
Neil Marcus26-Jun-2020 23:51
I would like to have him shaking hands with Lincoln in thanks
Raymond26-Jun-2020 23:46
I would have preferred that the freed man was standing tall. As they all should today
globalgadabout26-Jun-2020 23:11
excellent and so clear a depiction that makes the situation easier to grasp...the sculptor may have slipped up here, as the idea of emancipation might have been better served if the African American man was standing, with perhaps the pair shaking hands as equals...kneeling however still carries the idea of subservience..Good suggestion to stick this in a museum..
Dan Greenberg26-Jun-2020 23:08
So very true - the part about never learning. Maybe this time we will. I had never seen this before or the one with Teddy Roosevelt on his horse with the native American and African American, but after seeing both, I can certainly see why they are offensive. Even with good intentions, white supremacy came through. ~V~
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