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04-APR-2014 JimMSP

Paul's Puzzle

Green Valley, AZ

Our new home came with a set of electrical outlets which have some strange behavior. The new building code requires them to have built in child proof protection.
Some of the plugs I have go in easily, others are so difficult that my wife can't get them in; and I barely can.

I obtained a new outlet and split it open to see if I could figure out the why. The best I can tell, without a micrometer, is that the newest plugs (that are hard to put in) are a bit thicker and stiffer than the old ones (which are generally easier). When the plug is inserted, the little plastic piece you see attached to the spring slides sideways.
A real puzzle. And I thought that Paul might have the answer.

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Canon Image Challenge06-Apr-2014 01:26
Jim, we used to say "we can protect against everything except stupidity". Now days we have ramped the level up to cover stupidity. You can tell which are AFCI breakers because they will have a small trip button on them. GFCI breakers do also but most contractors use GFCI outlets since they are 3 to 4 times cheaper and more convenient.
Paul
Charlie Beck06-Apr-2014 00:44
For the benefit of those not in the trade, TR does stand for "tamper resistant," and that is not quite the same as "child proof." The way these (are supposed to) work is that if someone (a child?) tries to stick a knife into one side of the receptacle, the plastic piece blocking the slot will not move. When one inserts a plug (or two knives at the same time), the equal pressure on the plastic pieces blocking both slots will allow the plastic pieces to move out of the way, so that the plug can be inserted. I can easily understand how a poor job of manufacturing such a device could make it hard to use.
Canon Image Challenge05-Apr-2014 14:01
They just started using these outlets this year in the development that I am in. I just went out to the Hubble site, but really could find no info of value. My wife can't plug her pc into these, and I struggle. I have set her up with a 3 outlet cube expander ( 3 outlets in a cube like part) that I have that she can plug into these new outlets.

I'll have to check the circuit breakers. In southern AZ, they are all outside the house.

I just hate it when everybody tries to protect me from myself.

Jim
Canon Image Challenge05-Apr-2014 12:26
Hubbell is a high quality device manufacturer, I use their products for commercial and industrial work but not residential. That's good information to know about their TR duplex outlets. I'll make sure I never buy them. Cooper is the best I've used when it comes to TR otherwise I usually buy Leviton.

Next on your problem list might be the Arc Fault circuit breakers you no doubt have in your breaker box. They can be a huge pain in the ass for false tripping. We can thank the National Fire Protection Agency for that one. The code making panel was going to drop or reduce the requirement for them but the NFPA sent a memo to all their associates telling them to flood the conference and vote for the AFCI code for circuits all through out the house.

I was talking to a local building inspector that was there and he told me 10 minutes before the panel voted the room suddenly filled with countless fire chiefs from around the country and then 5 minutes after the successful vote the room was virtually empty even though there were still dozens of code changes yet to be discussed and voted on.
Paul
Canon Image Challenge05-Apr-2014 06:06
The only name that I can find is on the center steel piece that has the screw holes; it reads HUBBELL.
The front plastic is stamped TR (probably for tamper resistant).

Jim
Canon Image Challenge05-Apr-2014 03:20
Normally I'd guess that the ones you are having trouble with are manfactured by Leviton. They are the worst on the market and I'm pretty sure they are the ones that came up with the original design and lobbied the code making panel to require them in the NEC. Cooper wiring devices are much better at the tamper proof devices. I do have to admit that the one you show does not look like Leviton. Paul