The first five photos are of two Cackling Geese at Middle Harbor Shoreline Park in Oakland, 30 October 2010. They had fairly dark breasts and lacked white neck rings, so they looked more like minima than leucopareia, but they seemed a little too big and long-billed, and lacked the dark purplish bib that minima often has, so I am wondering if they were taverneri, which is supposedly much less frequent in the Bay Area. The last two photos are of a similar looking bird at Garretson Point in MLK Regional Shoreline in Oakland, 11 November 2009. Comments on the ID of these birds are welcomed.