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16-FEB-2008 Vonniedee

Dolly, the Llama*

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Date/Time16-Feb-2008 14:49:04
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Guest 25-Feb-2008 12:34
Nice job on this one!
Rod 23-Feb-2008 07:47
If you say so Mikey.
ctfchallenge23-Feb-2008 01:20
Rod, so, I'm thick and I think too much, eh? Well, if you look at how much writing you've had to do to rationalize your (fuzzy) arbitrary position(s), it looks like you are doing a pretty big lot of thinking yourself, wot? I repeat, your handling and determination of on/off topic shots in this Challenge has been ARBITRARY. In your feeble attempt to justify your vacillating position(s) you quote yourself saying "when the viewer looks at the picy it looks obviously a part of a whole", of course you aren't talking about "the viewer" you're talking about yourself. Talk about me being thick, you don't even see that about your "administration" of this Challenge.

Consider CJ's frog shot. A fine shot, indeed, and to me a part thereof a frog, no doubt, BUT if it were a human, you'd no doubt call it a portrait, being as you can see both of the eyes, mouth and chin, and off topic. Where your eye goes is meaningless when you ascribe all viewers to your vision. Just because you haven't sent any of these "questionable" shots to Pending, doesn't mean you haven't added a negative to them by accusing them of being off topic, in your own tainted vision. This fine shot of a PART OF a llama head being only one.

BTW, this is a shot of the bridge of the nose, the nose, the nostril, lips, teeth, mouth, chin and fuzz on the chin. Places where MY thick eye was drawn. Cheers, -mikey
ctfchallenge22-Feb-2008 21:46
This is hysterical Yvonne! - Love it, and the name too! :-) CJ
Rod 21-Feb-2008 18:59
There's no need to get rid of it Y, because of the fuzzy edges to this topic I haven't put anything into Pending.......................Yet:-)
ctfchallenge21-Feb-2008 16:27
Yvonne, I love your llama. But you get my vote of great respect.
Penny Street

By the way - I didn't use my brain to visualize the lunear elipse last night and it was really exciting.
ctfchallenge21-Feb-2008 15:09
Well, it is fun to see good old communication here, (which I have been very poor at of late, due to life) I see this does appear to be a great shot of a mouth, a llama's mouth not a horse's. Yes, it is a part but I can see everyone's points. When I run a challenge (better yet if I ever do!) then I surely will have to make a call as well based on directions at the front. The pic will go bye bye out of respect to our host and in order to allow for my next one. This llama by the way is not mine, but I think I see a spit coming LOL.....smile friends. Yvonne
Rod 21-Feb-2008 06:20
Gawd you can be hard work:-) You're thinking too much, it's all in the seeing, your picy of the back end of a horse is not a shot of the horses bum isit. I would describe it as the hind quarter of the GG. There's part of a leg, part of a tail & part of the horses body. Not one of these afore mentioned parts dominate the picy as there's no obvious focal point. All we see is the back part of a horse. If you wanted a shot of the horses arse I would suggest you go around to the back of the said horse lift up its tail & shoot the hole surrounded by two cheeks. Then you would have an off topic picy of a horses arse mate:-) Now this picy of the horses mouth & teeth is a visually whole picy of teeth & gob, that's what I see when I look at this picy it just hits me in the eye but of course if you then start to ask yourself questions about is the mouth & teeth a part of the head the answer would be yes. that's why I stated in the topic description AND in all the subsequent explanations that the image has to look a part thereof picy from the first viewing & not from the secondary thinking. From the topic description again """when the viewer looks at the picy it looks obviously a part of a whole""" Now if this word Visual is too subtle for some people I'm sorry, if they want to use their brains to look for parts thereof in a picy then any bleeding picy ever taken is a part thereof picy unless maybe for a 360deg panorama stitch which would still contain for the thinkers a part of the sky.

Th-ic-k .....Exercised according to a lack of understanding after repeated clarifications. Thinking too much & overriding the visual senses:-) rodsters dictionary.com.au
ctfchallenge20-Feb-2008 22:05
Rod, if you can say that my pic of the horse's ass is OK and this one isn't, you're being arbitrary. My shot is of a horse's ass is NOT a shot of part of the ass, its a shot of a half ass. As you said below, "This shot is of a Llamas mouth & teeth NOT a shot of part of the head." Guess what? The mouth and teeth ARE part of the llama's head, and we only see one side to boot, thus making it even a smaller part thereof.

ar-bi-trary ... Exercised according to one's own will or caprice, and therefore conveying a notion of a tendency to abuse the possession of power.. --dictionary.net

Cheers, -mikey
Rod 20-Feb-2008 20:08
The topic description was brief but the follow up discussions I would have thought made it a bit clearer. No I didn't mention the focal point because I know there are ways to show a part thereof picy with a focal point that's not part of. But by saying in my topic description "when the viewer looks at the picy it looks obviously a part of a whole" The viewer is naturally drawn to the focal point so the rest of the shot would almost have to overpower the focal point to be on topic. Lydia's shot of two horses in exhibition is a great example of what I'm talking about as the part heads overpower the whole nose & mouths making it a part thereof picy. This shot is of a Llamas mouth & teeth NOT a shot of part of the head. Mary Anne I don't know if you have followed the follow up discussions or my comments under the picys but just because you don't understand what I'm saying doesn't necessarily mean I've been arbitrary. I haven't put any picys in Pending so have a look through the shots & there's only a few off topic so most people are posting on topic picys. If I say this is on topic then Jano's eye shot would have to be classed be on topic, then other off topic shots would have to be called on topic because they can refer me back to Janos or this shot to justify their shots being on topic. Now that would be an arbitrary way to run the topic, the topic would be meaningless. I'm not suggesting Y crops this excellent picy but I would suggest she composes another shot that is a part thereof picy like her other two.
ctfchallenge20-Feb-2008 17:54
Having 27 llamas outstanding in their field, I'd be the first one to say that this is only part thereof any one llama. Even the teeth are only shown as part thereof, there are six in the group shown in this pic. So, even if your eye is drawn to the teeth, Rod, that doesn't make this off topic. You didn't specify what your eye was drawn to as any criteria for this challenge, either. BTW, nice shot Vonnie!! Do you have llamas, too? Cheers, -mikey
ctfchallenge20-Feb-2008 16:18
C'mon, Rod. Your distinctions between whole and part are becoming confusingly arbitrary. If the photo was focusing on just one tooth, I'd agree that it's off-topic, but to me this obviously shows just part of the head, which is part of the animal. It's a good shot as well and it would be a shame to crop it in order to meet some uncertain guidelines. Why not just accept the ones that are "maybe" on-topic and let the voters decide???
--Mary Anne
ctfchallenge20-Feb-2008 13:46
I dont understand this topic at all - Nice smile BTW - Debi
ctfchallenge20-Feb-2008 06:28
On or off topic it made me smile. -COAmature
Rod 20-Feb-2008 05:43
PS. It's a really great picy though. Very clear.
Rod 20-Feb-2008 05:42
To me this is off topic because it looks like a shot of the teeth/mouth which suggests a whole even though we can only see part of Dolly's mug:-) My eyes just go to the teeth & mouth.