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Canon DSLR Challenge | all galleries >> Challenge 58: Dominant Color (host: Lonnit Rysher) >> CSLR Challenge 58 Exhibition > Minaret*

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December 2005	db.

Minaret*

Sevilla, Spain

La Giralda

Canon EOS 350D ,Tamron AF 28-200mm f/3.8-5.6 XR
5s f/16.0 at 200.0mm iso100 hide exif

Full EXIF Info
Date/Time	09-Dec-2005 19:49:59
Make	Canon
Model	Canon EOS 350D DIGITAL
Flash Used	No
Focal Length	200 mm
Exposure Time	5.00 sec
Aperture	f/16
ISO Equivalent	100
Exposure Bias
White Balance	(-1)
Metering Mode	matrix (5)
JPEG Quality	(6)
Exposure Program	program (1)
Focus Distance

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Canon DSLR Challenge		03-Jan-2006 20:48
LOL! ~ Lonnit

Canon DSLR Challenge		03-Jan-2006 11:41
Thanks a lot, Victor and Lonnit, for the effort to find out whether I was right or wrong. Thanks, Lonnit, for admitting this tower stands upright (even if you feel it doesn’t); and thanks, Victor, for your support of my soul troubled by Lonnit (and Sharon)... ;-)) — db.

Canon DSLR Challenge		01-Jan-2006 18:44
Ok, this one's was driving me nuts, so I made another go of it. I duplicated the layer, flipped the second layer to get a mirror image of the original. I then brought down the opacity a bit. Lets call the real-life- left-hand edge of the building "Line A". Now I had a "Line A" on the left, in the original, and a "Line A" on the right, in the duplicate. I slid them together, pixel by pixel until they met. If there was any gap at top or bottom it would have proven that the tower was indeed at an angle. NO gap was formed! The tower is indeed perfectly level and the appearance of a tilt is apparently an optical illusion! Now, that puts the photog in an interesting predicament - does one change it to LOOK correct, or keep as is because it IS correct? We know the answer in this photo's situation, but I wonder what others would do. :) Good one... ya got me! :) ~ Lonnit

Canon DSLR Challenge		01-Jan-2006 09:23
Lonnit, Are you taking into account the change in architecture with height? I can be as picky as the next person, and I don't see any lean here. But I didn't use a measuring tool to determine this. I don't think that would be accurate enough because the subject is not a straight line. What I did instead was actually quite easy. I just took another window on my desktop and abutted it to the edge of the tower -- then the other edge. -- Victor

Canon DSLR Challenge		01-Jan-2006 09:02
Lonnit: if you are picky, then let me tell you: there is no point between the letters of my handle; never was. (And, no, I’m not that sure you are not somewhat crazy ;-)) — db.

Canon DSLR Challenge		31-Dec-2005 21:30
LOL! d.b.. Just so you know we're not crazy, LOL!, I took the angle reading off the left edge of the tower. My first attempt showed no lean. When I examined the placemnent of the measuring line, I saw that there was the slightest bit more gap at the top of the line than the bottom. A more careful remeasure revealed the partial degree. So, I might be anal, but not crazy. ;) You know I get obsessive about these things... I mean, YEEESH!, who else would ever have put the galleries in color order? LOL!!!! Still a nice image even with the gaping flaw! ;) LOL! Yes, if I were a princess, I WOULD detect the pea. :) I'm also the one whose perameters for options on my new car sent the dealer searching for a week and a half, to find what I wanted, (actually not even my first choice, but my compromised, more flexible set of perameters), only to discover that another dealer, halfway across the country, had one on order. It's somewhere on the seas right now, between here and Japan. LOL! But no, I'm not picky! LMAO!!! ~ Lonnit

Canon DSLR Challenge		31-Dec-2005 14:38
aam1234: Glad to have you back here; I missed your support lately... ;-) I called it «Minaret» because that’s what «La Giralda»—built in the 12th century—was, belonging to Seville’s giant mosque in the Middle Ages. After the «Reconquista» the victorious Christians destroyed the mosque, built one of Europe’s biggest cathedrals instead, included the minaret and crowned it not only with a bell-top but also with a huge figure (that serves as a weathervane) as a symbol for their triumphant faith. If you wish to see more of it, check http://www.pbase.com/ctfchallenge/image/53861441 http://www.pbase.com/ctfchallenge/image/53861447 — db.

Canon DSLR Challenge		31-Dec-2005 12:37
Sorry, ladies: In my book this tower stands upright! Not even after checking the straight lines of the lower half of the Giralda for a second and third time in PS, could I detect Lonnit’s 0.28 degrees lean to the right. But even if I had, I wouldn’t think it was reason enough for rotating (or correcting the perspective as suggested). You are, Sharon and Lonnit, too subtle for me... ;-) — db.

Canon DSLR Challenge		31-Dec-2005 05:02
db db... you can't get away from me :) Seriously, what made call it "Minaret". Very interesting name. aam1234

Canon DSLR Challenge		31-Dec-2005 03:57
Yup - curiosity got the best of me. I'm getting a reading in PS that there is a .28 degree lean. That's such an obnoxious amount to be detectable! LOL! No wonder you thought it might be just an illusion. ~ Lonnit

Canon DSLR Challenge		31-Dec-2005 03:53
I'd go with a little perspective correction. Skewing it would tilt the right building to the left. You can bring the upper left node out to the left a little, but then you'll probably have also have to bring the right one out a very small iota to compensate for the left pull. You might find PS fighting you on it b/c you'll probably have to pull them out so little that it's going to want to stay magnatized to the existing border. I know you can hit the alt button (I could be wrong, it might be the ctrl button) while you're tugging on the node, but you've got to be really careful b/c then it also releases the magnatism that only allows the node to slide in one direction or the other. Now the darn thing will want to slip up and down as well, and you don't want that. :( Does anyone know how to counter that? I want to be able to pull the corner node along a horizontal or vertical, but not have it snap back to the frameline, nor slide to any degree off horizontal or vertical. ~ Lonnit

Canon DSLR Challenge		31-Dec-2005 01:06
I don’t think so. Now, if this picture were (as I believe it is) technically straight but caused (as it seems) the impression of being leaning to right, what to do then? Shall I make it «counter-lean»to the left? Or would it need a perspective-correction or -distortion? ;-) — db.

Canon DSLR Challenge		30-Dec-2005 20:05
I do believe she is correct... there is a very slight lean to the right. ~ Lonnit

Canon DSLR Challenge		30-Dec-2005 17:24
Many thanks, Sharon, for commenting! Are you sure it’s leaning? Or is it just an impression?? — db.

elips		30-Dec-2005 17:00
The warm color in this is wonderful. I like how the top of the minaret fades off into darkness. I would like to see it straighter though, it's leaning a bit to the right. ~Sharon